On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:56:34 -0500, woodchucker
wrote:

On 12/27/2016 2:39 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
Jack wrote in news
On 12/25/2016 1:26 PM, Puckdropper wrote:

Yep, I know. But, at a young age I came to realize Windows is
actually really really good.

Windows was never really good, let alone really, really good. Well,
there was one version of windows that was really good, and that was
OS/2. The only version of Win that actually worked.

Well, we'll disagree there. Windows 9x had a good UI, but did lack in
stability and security wasn't a big concern until Windows XP SP2. NT 4.0
had the stability (mostly) and UI of Windows 98, which is what I was
running for quite some time.

I had a Mac running OS 8 at the same time (I couldn't be bothered to
spend the cash for OS X, which Btw is a GUI on top of Unix), and Windows
NT was much better. Maybe it was what I was used to, maybe it was that I
treated the Mac as a toy and didn't do any real work... Or maybe Windows
NT was much better.

We're seeing a shift, more people than ever are talking about Linux.
I won't say "2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop" because
it won't. Linux will take over like Firefox... Slowly. All of a
sudden you realize Firefox has to be taken seriously. (That's a
whole 'nother can of worms... because now you realize Firefox *can't*
be taken seriously anymore. The fork Pale Moon is really good.)

The desk top is dying a fast death. Kids (under 40) today don't use
them, they use their cell phones. Actually they use todays Portable
Computer (PC), which is incorrectly called a cell phone. Almost no
one uses the cell phone part of their PC much, they use text for that.
Otherwise it's social media.

As for Linux, (which of course is really just a hacked copy of Unix)
that has already killed Windows dead as hell. 99% of PC's (aka cell
phones) are powered by UNIX based OS's. Android and Mac OS are based
on UNIX, not windows. The Desktop is dead, killed by so called cell
phones. The entire internet runs on Unix, almost all cell phones
(PC's) run on Unix based OS's.


The desktop is not dying, but it is severly shrinking. When you need to
sit down and get some work done, there's little better interface out
there than the ultra-precise mouse and confident keyboard.

What will happen is every family will have a computer for typing reports
and the like, but will also have multiple portable devices OR perhaps the
portable device with multiple interfaces will finally catch on. When you
need to type and mouse, your portable device can be plugged in to another
device that provides that hardware and maybe a bigger screen and your
phone can become your computer. This isn't a new idea, I've got a
LapDock for my Pi. (It might have caught on if the LapDock didn't have
to cost so much.)

There's more servers running Windows Server and IIS than you'd think. I
wouldn't say the entire Internet runs on Unix, but a significant portion
does.

Puckdropper

That number is dropping. Most of the places I have worked for had a
linux back end with an IIS middleware. IIS is a POS in my book, it's
constantly requiring resets. But the powers that beeeeeee. Cost is
driving everything. I now run my databases on windows.. They are so much
more unstable than the Unix O/S's I used to run on. But cost has been
pushing that direction, also companies are finding less and less
expertise in the Linux / Unix area and are moving to Windows. I can't
tell you how many issues I have related to windows, it's astounding. but
people up top don't care about stability, only cost.. and it cost them
less to get a few MS idiots than a few good Linux gurus. So that's part
of the cost. I am in the medical imaging field now, and we can't afford
downtime, Imagine not being able to view a CT scan or MRI during an
operation or after a stroke...

Oooohhhh lets reboot the POS.
It's the "linux" low cost model that is killing Unix. It's user
supported - meaniung there really is no support to speak of, but it is
driving "legitimate unix" out of business.

You NEED to be a Unix guru to maintain a unix server, while much of
the Windows Server architecture and interface is common to desktop
windows. THAT is what is driving Windows Server adoption in the
indusatry.
We are still running on a Linux webserver - just upgraded to a
current release - and the switchover to the new server was rife with
problems and took almost a week, because, in large part, there was
inadequate support. I had nothing to do with the switchover, and have
nothing to do with the server maintenance (thankfully).

The internal servers at the insurance office are Windows servers, but
the virtualization server is not windows based - it is a VMWARE unit
which is based, at least loosely, on a Linux kernal.
A MISERABLE thing to manage compared to the Windows Hypervisor. When
they switched to VMWare I handed the network administration over to
the contractor who recommended it -" hook line and stinker"

The virtual servers have been ROCK SOLID, but the backup and other
management has been "less than stellar".

My Windows 10 desktops have also been rock solid - better than Windows
7, and very comparable to my previous WinXP SP2 machines (which would
run for months and months on end without a reboot or a crash -
basically only requiring a reboot after certain updates).
At the time we were running the old NT servers, non virtualized, mu
wife worked in Health Services at a local University where they were
running the MAC Medical system on an Apple (Unix based) server - and
it crashed on a regular basis - MANY times oftener than the old NT
system - which was not nearly as "solid" as WinServer 2012 and 2013.