Am 03.08.2016 um 21:32 schrieb Aardvarks:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 10:57:46 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:

You seem to be unaware of the difference between data shown on a screen
and data stored internally in a computer system. The only thing you've
proven above is that you don't see this ID anymore in any (user
accessible) screen.

But you can't possibly know (at this time, after performing the steps
you outlined) whether it's still stored somewhere in the system, nor
whether it's still accessible by apps (or Android itself) whenever they
choose to do so.

I am a scientist.

Then behave like one! And not like a kid, stomping your feet.

1. I proposed my hypothesis & my references backing it up.
2. I showed the exact steps of my experiment for anyone to reproduce.
3. I showed the results for anyone to prove wrong.

And what do you provide?

Like a good scientist I claimed (and gave reason for that claim) that
your test is not suitable for basing your conclusion. *I* don't have to
provide anything more, it's *you* who has to prove that your claim is
still holding up, despite my well-founded criticism. If you knew
anything about the scientific process, you would know that that's the
way things work in the scientific community.

You *saying* there is a super-secret hidden secret advertising ID that is
secretly generated outside the well-known mechanisms that the references
prove exist, merely means that you're stretching for a conspiracy theory to
support your erroneous beliefs.

Oh, more insults. Is that all you have? Not even one of your
'well-founded' test results, not even one of your 'explain-all' screen
shots? No? Poor you.

Let me make my point clear one more time: In your test you deleted the
Google Play app. And I accept (without any problem) that you did so
successfully.

However, that does not mean at all that any background services for the
Google Play Services are gone just as well. Nor does that mean that any
data they stored is actually gone from the system. Just one example how
that could work: The Google Play Services may store the AdID somewhere
in a general Android storage area (seeing how easy it is in Android for
one process to get access to the data of another process, that's easily
possible, even without pulling the card of 'Google can do things with
system parts that apps wouldn't be allowed').

But you're claiming that by deleting the app all the data from the
background service are gone just as well.

What are your references?

I don't need any, I just need to raise reasonable arguments that *you*
have to show as false or as not applicable. Reminder: Insults are not an
accepted way of proving your point right.

Where is your experiment?

I don't need one. It's your experiment, you have to prove that it is a
valid basis for your conclusion.

Where is your proof?

I don't need any proof. I only need to raise reasonable doubt. And I
did. It's your task to dispel them.

You may as well tell me the earth is flat.

Oh, come on. That's even below your standards...

I often wonder why you Apple people resort to such lies, but I finally
figured why you make up *everything* in your self-imposed contrived world
that Apple Marketing so safely (says they have) built for you:
a. You're scared witless (hoping that Apple Marketing will protect you)
b. You only care about style (which Apple Marketing surely provides)
c. You accept single-button-mouse solutions (from Apple Marketing)

And more insults...

Fact:
- It's trivially easy to completely eliminate the Advertising ID from an
unrooted Android device (my test was on an S3 with Android 4.3).

Which is yet to be shown. By you, by the way, not by me.

Hypothesis:
- It's impossible to do the same privacy tweak on unrooted iOS.

I'm a scientist. I'm not afraid of facts.
Prove me wrong.

I showed that your conclusion cannot be based on your experiment. That's
all there is to do for my role in this discussion. Dispel that or bring
up a test that really proves your conclusion. *That's* the way science
works.

Michael