On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 13:03:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, 24 July 2016 17:11:31 UTC+1, GB wrote:
On 7/24/2016 1:19 PM, tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 24 July 2016 09:18:09 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/07/16 21:53, ss wrote:
On 23/07/2016 18:16, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Phosphoric acid will then convert the rust to something paint
friendly

Can be bought cheaply on ebay.

Iron phosphate.

Tough and stable.

"It can be used in steel and metal manufacturing processes. When bonded
to a metal surface, iron phosphate prevents further oxidation of the
metal. Its presence is partially responsible for the corrosion
resistance of the Iron pillar of Delhi.

Iron phosphate coatings are also primarily used as base coatings for
paint in order to increase adhesion to the iron or steel substrate, and
is often used in rustproofing as well. It can also be used for bonding
fabrics, wood, and other materials to these surfaces as well. Iron
phosphate coatings are usually applied as part of a painting or powder
coating process."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(III)_phosphate

In fact rusty iron/steel that has been phosphated with acid will
probably be more resistant to corrosion than bare metal

But converted loose rust doesn't mysteriously bond itself well to the metal. I last used HCl it removes everything, but you can use phosphoric acid. As said, painting onto the rust won't work, it has to be removed.

On a practical issue, can you use this acid when the hinges are attached
to the door?


Since I have HCl, I would use it, it's way better, but be most careful to keep it off the wood. Pickling acid eats almost everything, including teeth & eyeballs.

Often hinge screws can be loosened so the hinge sits a little off the wood - then HCl could be used all over.


NT
HCL + Iron oxide = ferric chloride. Not nice, still very corrosive.

Posphoric acid + Iron oxide = iron phosphate, stable solid material.

As far as the reaction with bits of me goes, I would prefer phosphoric
any day.

I seem to recollect that Coca Cola was once used for derusting
purposes, no doubt before the company found they could get through the
same number of teeth by reducing the acid levels and upping the sugar.

Might still be worth a try though :-)


AB

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