whisky-dave wrote
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
dennis@home wrote
tabbypurr wrote

So when the vote goes your way, people voted rightly and
when it doesnt they were 'tricked.' Oh, and now the outcome
doesn't suit you you want some other options instead.

The problem with the referendum is that neither side will get what
they voted for if they voted against immigration or better funding
of the NHS or any of the other promises made by people that
couldn't deliver them. So yes, a lot were tricked into voting one
way.

I'd say there's little doubt that the vote was won by those whose
aim was to end immigration. And give the government a good
kicking. They almost certainly wasn't why I voted as I did.

Didn't say you did. Given the small percentage majority, it didn't need
that many to whom immigration was the primary issue to swing the vote.

I take it you never watched TV? In those areas where there was a large
majority to leave, the most common topic by far was immigration.

Strange wasn't it I wonder why the don't want immigration or want to
reduce it.

Many of those who 'don't want immigration (and voted Leave
because of it) simply don't want 'foreigners' in *their* country.

and many more wanted immigration controlled.

Indeed.

What they don't understand is that it isn't *their* country
it's *our* country and there many of us who are far more
open minded / and happy to mix with other cultures.

I agree but there are some that don't agree
with every culture that is present in the UK,

Hardly anyone does.

and don't want to have to follow that culture.

No one does have to.

The next layer of people don't mind *some* 'foreigners'
but they don't like others (or various nationalities or
even colours, even if they were actually born in England).

You also have to realise that some don't like the culture or
the way the person acts behaves and that is down to culture
rather than colour, but like with wasps bees and other animals
sometiome the colour or dress indicates the type of person
you are. So you need to be able to tell these people apart.

And some choose to wear very distinctive stuff like
turbans that makes them stand out like dogs balls.

The next layer might actually generally accept *all* 'foreigners' but
would still vote Leave because of 'all those' who are 'taking homes,
jobs, healthcare and welfare' away from 'English people' (ignoring
the fact that there may be far fewer doing that than contributing).

But those people should also know that the govenrment can't count.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

So most people that have a brain will use their own eyes
and expeience to judge rather than govenment stats.

That is never going to be anything like as useful as the stats.
For example you're not going to be able to come up with that
rather surprising info that London is actually one of the 5th or
so citys with the most french people in it that Boris came up
with without the stats.

Another layer would be those who don't want particular
religious practiced in 'this country, so no 'Muslims' should
be allowed here for example, or the wearing of any clothing
that is part of that (like the Burka).

That sounds more like France to me.

Plenty in Britain would like to see the same ban.

Then it's just 'those foreigners' who seem to cause trouble
(ignoring any natives who cause trouble for some reason).

How do you tell teh natives from the others ?

Those are the ones stuffing fish and chips and pies
and peas and bacon sarnys into their mouths, stupid.

Then there are those who just don't like the ghettoisation
by any non-native people (but are happy with native people
doing the same, like 'inner Londoners' moving out into to certain
places in the country). Not like we do in Spain or anything.

Threr are tgose that dontl; see anyhting wrong

Clearly completely blotto, already.

in selling their home in one country and moving to another
and buying a home their. What these people might see as
wrong is where you give up your home in one country and
get given a home in another country, when residetn of that
country can't afford homes of their own, and this applies to
the natives and those that have been in the UK for 20+ years
and have worked and paid taxes for 20+ years.

Just as true of Spain.

And you have those who don't generally like 'foreigners',
except any of those they have bothered to take the time
to talk to and find (in general) that they are just ordinary
people trying to do the best from themselves and their families.

and those that import 'foreigners' because they really like them,
chea[p labour cheap sex or even slavery or prostitition. companies
emploing 'foreigners' because it;s cheaper than employing those
already in teh country whether 'foreigners' or not.

I have often found that when walking along the pavement and
coming across someone who may be a different colour to me,
if I smile at them and say 'morning' or 'alright (as I generally
would anyone) I nearly always get a smile or reply in return.

You haven't done it much then have you.

I do so partly because that's just what I'm like and partly because,
like young people with old, I want to make it clear I have nothing
against them (the number of times our daughter has smiled or
said 'hello' to an elderly person in passing (or holding a door
open etc) and then have completely blanked her).

That's because of her rabid blood shot eyes and flecks of foam about the
lips.

Only the English do that is that what you are saying.
you also seem very transfixed on colour perhaps those your
daughter talked to were white but NOT English but Polish.

When I have actually talked to people about what they call
'foreigners' ... most people will often refine their more blanket
attitude and refine it to one (or more) of the points above. If you
then explain the position from the 'foreigners' POV, some then modify
their previously hard-line views even further (often referencing all
the 'foreigners' they know or have worked with and saying how nice
they were).

This is true but this is because of the way you are counting incidents
and don;t seem to realise that people take certain aspects of another
in order to not like them or use that as their point of refernce.

You won;t get a fat person calling another fat person
a fat ****head they may just call them a ****head.

Plenty of our wogs call each other stupid wogs.

The fat part is just something to focus on and it
IS NOT the main point of why you dislike them.

I have spoken to many people who have traveled
round the world (typically on motorcycles)

Yes wel, we all hate those ******* bikers don't we on their
harelys riding up and down the street reving their engines
keeping everyone awake getting in fights with the locals.
See the majority of bikers are hells angels.

and they have *all* said how welcoming and
generous 99.9% of the people they met were,
often when they had very little themselves.

The other .1% were probably just bad people anyway
or also 'disliked foreigners' for some / no reason.