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On 17/04/2016 11:27, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1477095 20160417 092908 Tim Streater
wrote:
In article , Stuart Noble
wrote:

On 17/04/2016 07:41, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1476921 20160416 134307 The Natural Philosopher

wrote:
On 16/04/16 11:42, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
[1] Mr and Mrs Pillock, what with her being a (former?) MEP
and all,
will be trousering several hundred k a year in EU pensions
and so
forth. No wonder they're supporting "remain".

And you'll expect Farage to give up his?

No, but then I'm not a kipper.

Nigel has said on many occasions he would be delighted to go back
to his
old job, and get right out of politics once we are right out of
the EU.

He remains one of the few politicians I almost believe.

I don't trust the opinion of anyone who thinks the EU issue is
black and
white. There are advantages and disadvantages to our membership,
and
anyone who thinks otherwise is letting his ideology rule his head.

Of course. But the question of sovereignty trumps everything.

Why? You need to justify that statement. Certainly not true for me.


Europe has form when it comes to creating world wars. If the EU
helps
prevent that, then I'm in. Easy to get complacent but it could all
happen over again

Next one will happen *because* of the EU.

Why? You need to justify that statement. Sounds like nonsense.

Just look what has happened after allowing third world countries to
join the EU.

That isnt what produced two world wars.

Creating ill feeling amongst countries does.

Nope. Much more is involved with WORLD wars.

Giving employment to foreigners from developing ****ries over the
indigenous population and depressing wages exacerbates the ill feeling.

But wasn’t involved in what produced two WORLD wars.

Some will take migrants, others won't because accepting Muslims is
against their culture.

It ain't that, they won't even let them transit their country.

The Muslim problem is looking more like the Jewish problem a century
ago.

That isnt what produced even one world war.

Jewish haters voting in Hitler helped,

Nope. He got in because Germany was in such a
desperate situation economically that many of the
voters decided that they had nothing to lose and that
he might well be able to do something about that.

He did too, doing precisely what FDR did in the US,
massive govt deficit spending that got the economy
going again.

Agreed.

Nothing whatever to do with jewish haters.

Are you suggesting the National Socialist German Workers' Party manifesto
didn't have clauses referring to Jews and charging interest?

in very much the same way the right wing parties in Europe are
receiving votes because of their stance against Muslims.

They don’t have any possibility of ever driving the bus.

UKIP couldn’t even managed to get Farage elected.

Yes, we now have welfare. Less to get worked up about. Not many EU
nationals went hungry or suffered from malnutrition.

That wasn’t why most voted for him.

They voted for him because they decided that he might well
be able to do something useful about the state of the economy.

He did too.

The apologist Burford will confirm.

Burford is completely irrelevant.

Agreed, he is irrelevant but has a hangup about apologists.