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Harold Davis wrote

How long a period of parking are you buying for the additional
"charge",
colloquially referred to as a "fine"? Is that specified on the
"contract"?

Usually for the duration you park there. It's free if you leave
before
the allotted time. Why?

Say a company charges £5 for an hour's parking and says there's a
£75
fine for staying any longer. They can't issue enforceable fines or
any
other penalty, because they're not a public body, so they call it a
"contract charge", or some such bilge, and they put up signs saying
that
when you park there you "agree" to it. That is typical of what's
happening all over the country.

and how do you think private parking should be enforced

With proper boom gates that force the users of
the carpark to do what you require them to do.

In the case of Lidl, charge everyone on entry to the carpark, provide
a
full refund of that charge when they leave the carpark and can wave
the
till slip at the exit boom gate. And have the barcode on the till
slip that
ensures that a particular till slip can only be used once at the exit
boom gate.

bear in mind that not all of the car parks that need to be enforced
are this model some are "authorised persons only may park here"

Trivial to use a badge system for those.

what's a badge system?

The car has a badge/sticker/RFID thing that the system
has to see before letting that car into the carpark.

(often residential parking that doesn't have the means to install
complicated barriers),

Nothing complicated about a boom gate and

There is if it require PP and the local council say "no"

Plenty of alternatives.

all of which require PP

Nope, gates don't.

There is if it requires the permission of the management company and
they say "no"

Then they get to wear the illegal use of the parking.

They don't care

They couldn't give a Toss about it

Then time they were replaced.

Do you understand?
This is not their problem, it's the resident's and as far as many PAs
are concerned - they can go hang!

Then time they were replaced.

There are far worse "crimes" that MA's commit that cause their tenants to
love to replace them - and fail to be able to do so.

Only because they were stupid enough to not have a proper
contract in place that allows them to be flushed where they
belong when they don't to what they are required to do.

The law in this area is complicated

Nope, not with a proper contract in place it isn't.

you don't just replace them by saying "I divorce you" three times.

But with a proper contract in place, they realise that they
wont be the MA for long if they try pulling that stunt.

and then there's the issue of providing 24/7 maintenance cover so that
people don't get stuck in or out

Don't need anything like that. Just an override that
any of those who are allowed to park there can use.

and how do you stop AN Other overriding it?

By only being overridable from inside one of the units.

Oh so that person has to accept being worked up when No 4 wants to leave
for work at 5 am, and no 7 comes back from a theatre visit at 1pm

Nope. If someone is trying to leave for work at 5am, and the
system wont let them drive out, the worst they have to do is
go back into their unit and use the override and then drive out.

Same with coming back at 1am, the worst they have to do is
walk into their unit with the car still outside the gate, use the
override in the unit to open the gate, then park the car.

Well good on that person You won't see me volunteering (and IME, I am one
of the more "interested" members of a block)

Don't need anyone to volunteer for anything.

Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.

- many companies will just say "no access outside standard working
hours plus a couple either side", but you can't do that with private
residential parking.

Override works fine.

so it's CFU as parking control then, isn't it

Wrong when only residents can use it.

People *reasonably* except to be able to enter/
leave their own property at time day or night.

Trivially easy to ensure that.

they all have the room to install one of those,
particularly one of the ones that use a badge
that sits on the dash of the car or the windscreen.

The technology to open the barrier is irrelevant, It's the barrier
itself which is the problem.

Nope, we've been doing those for centurys now.

Often called gates.

Even easier to use now that they are so easy to automate now.

but they still suffer from miscreant parkers who need to be
discouraged

Would you be happy if someone just decided to park their car on your
drive for the day whilst they were out shopping

That is illegal and you can just get them towed.

No it's not,

Corse it is. You aren't legally free to park in
anyone's driveway you feel like parking in.

It's not illegal.

Corse it is. You aren't legally entitled to drive into
the driveway of any place you feel like doing that.

Its trespass.

which is not illegal

Corse it is. That's why you can call the cops and have them
removed if they refuse to leave when you tell them to.