On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:51:14 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 10/01/2015 6:45 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 18:30:04 -0500, wrote:
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This is done by almost every country in the world. I spent months
studying Boeing a decade ago. The fact that they get away with a
minimum of production transfer to foreign countries is partly a result
of our Ex/Im bank. The rest is countertrade.

You wouldn't believe how much Italian wine shows up in US wine shops
because Boeing sells aircraft to Alitalia. No kidding. d8-)

I was simply pointing out that much of what countries like China do
isn't nearly so much in the spirit of trade/countertrade as it is simply
overt industrial espionage--if we've got the manufacturing on our soil
it's now quite simple (relatively, anyway) to now move that technology
to other fields. Russian PWRs somehow looked essentially identical to
the W design built in France--in fact it turned out that engineering
drawings in some cases even still had some circle-W stamps on them that
hadn't gotten covered over on copies or yet redrawn...despite, of
course, in those days USSR being on the "no-fly" zone for the technology.

Well, it's both, but I wouldn't call this industrial espionage. In
these big trade deals it's common for the buying country to demand
some domestic production, and it's just as common for them to specify
technology transfers. These are negotiable points but they're a common
part of trade at that level.

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Ed Huntress