On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:26:39 -0700, Don Y
wrote:

On 9/25/2015 11:06 AM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:19:55 -0500, Muggles wrote:

A while back we went looking for cars and found a subaru that was close
to something I'd want to drive. They dealership wanted a specific
price, but I wanted to pay a different amount. When we sat down to talk
numbers they told me the price was already on the car, and then I told
them how much I was willing to pay for it. The sale man looked at me
and told me that was impossible, but he'd get his manager to come talk
with me. The manager told me the same thing the salesman said about the
price being rock solid on the car, and I told the manager what I was
willing to pay for it. They both looked at me like "well if you want
THIS car you'll pay what we're asking." I looked at them and said, "OK.
Thanks for your time." I got up and walked out of the building and
left the lot. You should have seen the looks on their faces. They
could have sold me the car at my price, but they lost a potential
customer because they weren't willing to come down on it even a little
bit. I've got no problem walking away from a purchase. They thought
they had a sale because I liked the car.

Car salesmen are like many other crooks. The prey upon people. The
first clue is when "I have to run this by my manager!" He goes back
to see him/her, they have a few jokes and come back with the same song
and dance - nothing changes.

_Confessions of a Car Salesman_ (series)

http://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/confessions-of-a-car-salesman.html

Check and see if Sam's Club or Cost co still have a program for buying
a car. I used Sam's in 1994, walked into the dealer, bought the
Bronco I wanted -- no fuss, no mess. Had a check from my credit union
in hand and signed the papers. Drove home.

Costco's program isn't very good. Invoice + ~$600, IIRC (varies
with make/model). Usually pretty easy to beat that.

I'd have to look at the file folder for my Bronco. MSRP was ~ $29,000.
Walked in with a $25,000 CU check. IIRC, I paid less than Invoice.
YMMV

I'm about to sell the same Bronco (original owner) for ~$2,500 -- then
buy guns and ammo!!

Point is, knowing what the discount clubs offer.