On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 13:47:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Joe Gwinn wrote:
In article , Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 06:54:06 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 15:02:25 -0400, Joe Gwinn
wrote:


From chapter 20 of The Prince. The first two sections are directly
relevant.

.http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince20.htm

The Prince (published in 1513) was well-known when the US was being
founded.

Hear, Hear!

Before you get all excited, you should read the entire book. It's
about how to manipulate a population so a monarch can run it
peacefully and successfully.

True - it's good advice on how to be a successful Prince.

This is realpolitic, long before democracy reached Italy.

Democracy was in force in Rome in various times from 300BC.

-- http://www.historytoday.com/john-north/democracy-rome

-- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demo...Roman_Republic

When you say "democracy" the Roman system of democracy, during the
Republic, is probably not what you are thinking about. During he
republic one voted in one's tribe and the tribes each had a specified
number of votes to elect the consul. Thus, the Plebs, the largest
single political division had no more political power that the
Patricians who they largely outnumbered.

The Senate, the Roman governing assemble, was appointed, not elected
and of course only full citizens could vote, excluding foreigners,
slaves, women and for a period "free men" who were basically freed
slaves.


The Patricians and Knights divisions were largely based on wealth and
family history so essentially if you envision a U.S. who's president
is elected from wealthier members of the DAR and an appointed congress
you will get the picture.
--
cheers,

John B.