On Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:24:29 UTC+1, Dennis@home wrote:
On 30/04/2015 12:42, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 30 April 2015 08:15:38 UTC+1, Dennis@home wrote:
On 29/04/2015 22:52, Simon Brown wrote:


"Dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 29/04/2015 22:21, Simon Brown wrote:


Than you can slowly ignore the Windows.....

buying a Mac you could aviod both windows and linux :-)


But I would still have to pay for the OS.

No, that comes free with a Mac.

Free in the same way windows is free with windows PCs?

No, free even for upgrades, unlike with Win until just recently.

Their equivalent of Office is free too.


No..

Yes.

its included in the price of the hardware.

Not really. At the weekend I installed the latest version yosmite
(free) on my Mac mini I brought new in 2010. Before that I'd
installed mavericks (free) I instaleld phots for free last night,
photos didn;t exist when the hardware was made, although prhaps
that's just a name change.

Where do you think Apple used to get their money from before they
started creaming off the app store?

My point was that I doubt much of the money I paid for the mac mini in 2010 went into the delevopment of yosmite. Before snow leaopard most of the OS's you had to buy unless you got them free with the hardware. So NOW the money they cream off the i devices and software/.AP store is also used.


Upgrades are only free until Apple decide your hardware is too old
and that they want you to buy new hardware,
or keep yuor old hardware.

then you find the upgrade wont install. This happens even when the
hardware is actually quite capable of running the upgrade as can be
seen on youtube where people have hacked the upgrade to run on
hardware to old to run it.

yes but you can run into other problems so those that want an easy
life will use recommened OS's for the hardware. In most cases it's a
waste of time running the latest software on out fo date machine
whether it's mac or PC. Can you think of any advantages to running XP
on a new laptop ? MS don't support it.

What are you on about?
That is the exact opposite of what anyone would want to do.

So why are so many still running XP ? 25% ?
I wouldn't and can't run yosmite on a Mac plus.
So little point in doing so.
The only time I came across this so called problem was with my G4.
It;d worlked on 9.02 right up to 10.4 but couldn't install 10.5
because Apple considered that the 500MHz was too slow and requirement
was for a 867MHz processor. But using the advice gioven on line it could be installed but not recommented, but as I had a dual core 500MHz I installed it.
Seems to work OK but a friend that had a 867MHz tower noticed a bit of a slow donw when he did his. I can't see much point in installing a new OS that slows things down.
I admit that when I fist installed OS X 10.01 it was pig slow far slower than OS9. I stayed at 0s9 until at least 10.2 came out.


You have to remember Microsoft develops and sells *software*,
Yep, how many differnt versions for teh same computer ? MS disable
certain aspects of the cheaper software installs, because they don't
want all their customers getting the full value of their product.

They sell different versions, you can buy whichever one you want.

why have differnt versions that's the point I can undertand 2 versions but 7 !
They'll copy Apple soon anyway and just have 2 versions.
They have already done so by calling it windows 10 , 9 would have been seen as lower than 10 or Apples OS X. 11 would have been suspicious.
Why they missed windows 9 well you take a guess at that.


MS disable some aspects of the software the day you purchase it,

Which ones?

Then why have difernt versions if nothing is missing ?

Apple let you use it on any sytem it will install on. Apple will
disable things after 5,6, or 7 years.

They disable it from installing, you can noble it and install it and it
will work perfectly well but then Apple doesn't get a hardware sale.

Old Apple copmputers tend to work far longer than others do, which is one of teh reason Aplpe products keep thier valuse far more than PCs do especially labtops.



Apple gets *hardware* developed and sells it. (They don't develop
much hardware themselves.)

apart from some chips, such as the specail controller for the retina
displays. and a lopt of the ipad/iphone chips.

They don't develop hardware, they sub contract it out.

They do the A chips for the ipad and iphone they develop the chip
and get intel or someone to make it.

They didn't design the original Intel macs at all, Intel did it.

Yes they did Intel designed the chips. The foirst imacs had PPC chips
intel didn't design those macs and niether did IBM.