On 15/01/15 13:20, Huge wrote:
On 2015-01-15, Tim Watts wrote:
On 15/01/15 12:41, Huge wrote:
On 2015-01-15, GB wrote:

I can't see anything intrinsically wrong with laws banning alcohol

Fortunately, you're never going to be in a position to enact them.


here

I think I see GB's point - he said "intrinsically". I don't think he was
suggesting sharia law was an OK thing to enact in England. But if some
other country wants to, that's their business.

Absolutely.

I give not the slightest toss what deranged loons want to do in the festering
********s they call "home". But if they come here, they can damn well abide
by the norms of the society they now live in.


I agree. This is what people who take offence from Rotterdam's mayor's
comments fail to see.

My view on integration is you can bring with you whatever customs you
like as long as you don't expect the general populace to embrace[1]
them, or even make allowances (though you can ask[2]);


[1] If you have something fun going on, like interesting food, funky
celebrations and cool clothes, people might just ask if they can come to
your party anyway - this is the most positive side of multiculturism. If
your customs are at odds with the general populace, keep them at home
assuming they don't offend the basic laws - eg no sharia courts when the
country has a fully established legal system.

[2] I think it is perfectly reasonable for a jew or a muslim to work in
a supermarket and ask not to do meat counter duties as touching pork is
more than he can stand - because it's relatively simple to accommodate.
Not much different to accommodating someone with a shellfish allergy.

It would be totally unreasonable in my view for said person to apply to
work in a butcher's shop and then demand all pork is removed and no
longer sold. He may however ask to be supplied with working gloves to
avoid "touching" the stuff. That means you, Oxford University Press![3]
Ditto I would not expect a person with a shellfish allergy to be wanting
to work in a sushi kitchen.


It's balance - I do just want to make it clear that my views on
integration do not extend to "you have to drop everything and be totally
english". However, stop expecting the host country to bend over
backwards - it does nothing but breed resentment and it never works.


[3]
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/to...s-9976568.html

Although I doubt any muslims or jews have ever complained to them.
Probably the work of some white media studies politically correct
dipweed or someone who used to work in an inner London council.