woodchucker wrote:
On 3/22/2015 5:54 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/22/2015 4:32 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 3/22/2015 4:53 PM, Bill wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/22/15 3:36 PM, Bill wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/22/15 1:55 PM, Leon wrote:

Why does a common laborer feel entitled to be paid a salary way
beyond what he actually brings to the work force? Why do
certain laborers, factory workers for instance, feel that they
should earn what some doctors earn, of for that matter more than
our educators? Entitlement. Is it even a small wonder why China
and Mexico workers have replaced American workers? Now that the
US and other countries became majorly involved in world trade we
now see how our labor force was way over paid for their
production. Yes China and Mexico built-products are on occasion
not of the same quality than what we can build here but that will
change. Even though their products are often inferior they
absolutely offer a better value, you get what you pay for. 50
years ago we imported way less quality products from Japan than
we do from China and Mexico. Now if it is made in Japan I choose
that product rather than, over priced and lesser quality American
made. Just look at the American automobile industry. Plain and
simple the American automobile industry is in the shape it is in
because of workers with entitlement issues and the unions that
supposedly represented them.


That has been my contention for the longest time. The unions, which
were needed at one time and did an incredible service to the labor
force, have now brainwashed people with high school educations and
little to no skilled training that they are worth $50k +

Do you think standing on an assembly line with big, sharp, heavy
metal things swinging by you all day sounds like a "fun" job to do
Everyday?


WTF does fun have to do with anything!?

My wife went to school for years to earn 3 degrees, went through
internships, training and continuing education, had to pass licensing
exams, and had 10 years experience before she started making that
kind
of money. I've never heard her once describe her job as "fun."

Relatively speaking, I'll bet her job is "fun". Ask her about her
working conditions
or her risk of being injured on the job, for instance. I don't
work on
the assembly line, I just know
some folks who have. I agree with you that they are over-payed,
but not
as over-payed as you think they are.


So where I grew up in Long Island NY the garbage men were making more
than the teachers 30 years ago. I don't know now, as I haven't lived
there since 78. While garbage men have a tough job, I personally think
it's because they are totally unskilled labor. I don't think they
deserved the pay they were getting.

It is shocking that the garbage men are not paid like athletes. They
absolutely work as hard for their pay...
Those guys have to be some of the most physically fit workers in the
country as a whole. At least the ones that actually lift and empty the
can by themselves. And run to the next house. I am amazed the pace our
collectors keep up. About as fast as I walk, I walk an average of 4mph,
and grab the garbage cans too.






They work hard, but lets not forget, they are totally unskilled labor,
and there are plenty of people that can fill those jobs.

Because we have kids that think they're too cool for school.
I wish that vocational training existed in Middle or Highschool (all)
not some.

The problem getting that is that the agencies that accredit schools
aren't measuring vocational skills. Put welding on the list, and they
wood have welding at every school--and in short order!