On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 22:56:51 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

And if war breaks out, a supply that is safe. Remember the tanker issue
with Japan - take them out and the boats stop.
Planes stop and back then even the trains. Coal was the best then oil.
Oil then was for the war.

East Texas was drained rather deeply sending it to the East in the Big
and little 'Inch' pipelines. All tax free. Texas got nothing from it.

Keystone is an independence key point.

Martin

On 3/15/2015 6:23 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 11:46:03 PM UTC-4, Larry Jaques wrote:

As far as Keystone goes, I am absolutely against it. It's not our oil
and it's not being sold to us, so why endanger our fresh water for it?


The Canadian oil is going to be produced regardless of whether a pipeline is built or not. If no pipeline is built it will be transported to Vancouver, Canada and shipped on Tankers from there. Shipping by rail car is more dangerous and costly than shipping by pipeline.

They why aren't they building their own pipeline in their own country?
Or, why aren't we using short runs of pipe and building refineries in
Montana, etc. so it could be refined here in the US instead? That
would do us some good, drop the price of gas, keep the oil safe and
available, etc.


If the keystone pipeline is built, some of the money will come to the U.S. as fees for using the pipeline. And more of the money will come to the U.S. as the refining will be done in the U.S. In addition the refined oil could be sent by pipeline to the East Coast. So even if the refined oil is shipped over seas by tanker, it will mean that the costs of gasoline and heating oil will be slightly less in the U.S.

I thought all the refining would be done elsewhere; all we got were
the labor charges for building it and a pittance for flowing it. BUT,
if the US has so much refining capacity, why are they closing
refineries everywhere over the past 2+ decades? Answer: They keep the
price of gas up by pinching off the refining capacity. If anything,
the Canadian glut will raise them even more. How does that suit
anyone but the oil companies and their refineries?


Not building the Keystone Pipeline will not mean that the oil will not be used and will not keep the CO2 out of the atmosphere.

snort As if...

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However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
-- Sir Winston Churchill