In article ,
rick wrote:
couple of ccts on the go, breadboarded to point they work now want to
convert to veroboard (simply not worth a PCB)

I use VISIO which would seem ideal ... does anybody have any vero /
component stencils for VISIO.

A few listed on line .. but no luck actually getting them to download

If that's not working for you, you might want to look at Fritzing.

It will let you design on stripboard or breadboard (but not, frustratingly
let you use stripboard as a PCB output option)

http://fritzing.org/

Gordon