On 2014-10-19, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:20:42 -0500, Ignoramus11869
wrote:

Hey, Ig, I just got the following email from John Carroll:

Hey Ed,
You can tell Iggy that those two mills carry the Cardenas brand
because Kurt and his sister Holly had a run at importing iron.

They are in Detroit if he wants to call them. Cardenas & Son.


found this on usenet, of all places:

From: "Ed"
Newsgroups: alt.machines.cnc
References:
Subject: Fadal Distributers
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:19:44 CDT

Here in Detroit, Fadal and CSI Cardenas parted ways last
year. Cardenas is now selling a line of machines under the Brute name
and the Fadals are being sold by a company called VMC Technologies.

Ed

Additionally, I found their specs he

http://www.ccarcade.com/brute35.html

One machine weighs 30,865 lbs, and the other 37,400 lbs, not bad.

i