whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

50 wouldn;t there is a formulae 1.7g per 1KG body
wieght 50% of peole would be killed is the estimate.

Which is nothing like 50 pills. Try 1K for a 60Kg person.

It doesn;t take 1k to give you organ damage.
That can happen with less than a dozen.

And yet even Britain hasn't made it prescription only for that reason.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/health...-aspirin-a-day

"If taking aspirin were without side-effects and completely risk free, it
might make sense for everyone with heart disease, or just worried about
it, to take it. But aspirin does have risks. Reducing blood's clotting
potential
can lead to hemorrhagic stroke (bleeding inside the brain). In the
stomach,
aspirin can cause everything from a feeling of mild heartburn to bleeding
ulcers. Severe gastrointestinal bleeding can be deadly."

And yet it is now the standard protocol for those with heart disease.

Don't take aspirin just because you've heard
it can help prevent a heart attack or stroke.

I do take it because I know that it does help prevent both.

It can,

It does.

but it can also do some damage.

The risk of that is much lower than of having another heart attack etc.

There's no exact tipping point at which it
makes sense to start taking an aspirin a day.

Wrong. The tipping point is having had a heart attack.

If you are healthy, haven't been diagnosed with heart
disease or other cardiovascular disease, and don't have
risk factors for them, aspirin probably isn't for you.

How odd that so many who are medically
qualified choose to take it in that situation.

You'll reap little benefit while exposing yourself
to side effects you'd rather stay away from.

You're wrong.

Those that attempt it with asprin/paracetomol aren't in their right
mind.

Or are just pig ignorant.

Like yourself ?

Nope, like you.

Or do you think that those that go to switzerland for euthanasia
are stupid because they could just go to a supermarket and buy
a couple of 100 pills for a fraction of the air fare ?

That wont kill them with aspirin.

or they know that it's unrealible and painful.

Or they know nothing of the kind.

Why don't they buy a suicide bag ?

Because they don't know about it, don't like the idea and
would prefer to go there where they can get something
they can just drink that will kill them very reliably and can
afford to do that and are physically capable of doing that.

Because that IS a fact. about 35p for 16 pills of 300mg.

Which wont kill you with aspirin.

Unlikily is the fact here, which is why they
don't mind people buying boxes of 16.

Everywhere else doesn't mind if you buy 100 either.

Many of them are, most obviously with euthanasia.

I believe those ARE thinking straight.

Pity about your original that you have carefully deleted from the
quoting.

then put it back in.

No thanks, too much farting around.

For most it's a cry for help

Which aint suicide, stupid.

How can you tell the differnce ?

Rather obvious when they make sure someone knows about
the purported attempt who can stop the purported attempt.

Dont; forget that limiting the number of pills is
to reduce the number of deaths from those pills.

But there is no evidence that the ban did reduce suicides.

it was with my flatmat which is why she phoned her friend
after taking the pills saying where she was but don;t come
to help her as she'd taken a bottle of pills to kill herself.

So it wasn't suicide, stupid.

OK stupid what would have happened if she'd had
100 left in trhe jar rather than the dozen or so she had.

Nothing special given that they would
have stomach pumped the stupid cow.

I doubt you even know that it's mostly women that choose a pill and
that men prefer high buildings for such things generally speaking.

You're wrong and even someone as stupid as you should be able
to use groups.google and see that I have pointed that out in the past.

You just don;t phone a friend with a car that lives 10mins away
and tell them where you are if you truely want to kill yourself.

So it wasn't suicide, stupid.

NO it wan;t stupid, because she remained alive.

Completely stupid because she is better off dead.

Not being able to aquire more than the dozen or so
pills meant she had to leave her house, but as it was
11pm she wandered the streets of north london.

Where with any luck she would have been run over.

If she'd had 100 pills she would have taken them

You don't know that.

but I don;t she'd have made it out the house.

More fool you.

It's not the 1st tiome she's 'attrempted suicide' that was the 3rd
each time she has contacted someone for help BEFORE dying. !!!

She was never going to die.

Then there's still the 'accidental' overdose

I don't believe that happens much with aspirin
in the sort of quantity that produces liver failure.

Actually I think it's kidney failure, but they do want people
that taking just one a day can cause stomuch ulcers, so not
sure what effect taking a 100 in a few minutes might do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin_poisoning#Severity

Yep see.. you can kill yourself with asprin but it's not easy as most
think.

Try taking 1K pills sometime and see if you can manage to do that.

And see if you can keep them down too.

or the help me overdoes,

If you're taking other medicines and asprin you might
exceed a safe limit which is about 4g per day.

But the limit on how many you can buy will have no effect on that.

At least you've got that right, so if yuo're taking another drug
even say night nurse you need/should to be aware of what's in it.

Irrelevant to what we are discussing, suicide.

You do realise that you can even be killed by drinking too much water.

But there is no limit on how much of that you can buy at a time.

No there isn;t as few if any people buy water in order to commite suicide

Just as true of aspirin.

so that's why there wouldn't be much point in limiting sales of it.

Just as true of aspirin.

You can do that with spirits too, and there is no limit on
how much of that you can buy at a time in a bottle either.

Most know the effects of such things,

Pigs arse they do with spirits.

they certainly take such thimgs for fun and depression
but I've yet to hear anyone say I want to commit suicide
think I'll buy a crate of gin/vodka.......

Just as true of aspirin.

I had a flatmate (before she lived with me) who took about

15 paracetomols to kill herself because she was despressed.

She failed.

Sure, paracetamol can certainly kill you.

People think all headache pills can kill

I doubt too many think that about aspirin.

Perhaps that's the problem.

Nope.

They get a headache take a dozen asprin the
headache remains they take another dozen....
The more you have the more you can take.

How odd that that only happens in Britain.

If it were a 100 or 200 jar she might have done
her self some serioius harm but not death.

I just don't believe that many would buy 100 or 200 jars of
paracetamol.

You don't need to buy them they just
need to be at hand at the 'right time'.

They wouldn't be on hand at the right time unless you buy them.

My father used to buy Asprin in bottles of 200
from boots. it was he how forst told me about it.
He used to take 1 a day and only ever brought the boots ones.

And didn't ever try to kill himself that way even
when he had noticed what he had spawned.

That last was done for other reasons, to make
it harder for kids to take them accidentally.

So was putting child proof caps on bottles,

Those are much more of a problem for those with arthritis etc.

Didn't stop the child proof tops being impletmeted did it ?

They mostly did get replaced by the blister packs.

You wont find much that can kill you unreliably there either.

Yes you will.

Bull****.

Most at at least contain scissors you can
certainly do some damaged with scissors.

Very few have ever killed themselves that way.

Same with kitchen implements.

or for you to go and find your inert gas,

Its completely trivial to do that, any place flogging party balloons.

Just the sort of place you'll go to when suffering depretion a 'party'
and anyway there's moves to stop those helium ballon sellers,

Not by anyone that matters.

Whether or not it matters to you

Never said a word about me.

is irrelivant but I still don't believe they'll be
lots of potential suicides from helium ballons.

Doesn't matter what you believe.

I don;t believe the 13 year old girl was breathing
in helium in order to commite suicide.

Corse she wasn't.

why do you think that is, because NASA
was affraid of teh competition ?

Because its obviously possible to kill yourself accidentally,
particularly given that helium has an interesting effect on
your voice.

But the above case was the first or one of the 1st in the UK.
Lots of people have breathed in helium and not died.

Because it isnt easy to kill yourself accidentally that way.

you can stop such accidents by baning these ballons
or requiring a license to sell them with helium.

That wouldn't stop someone from breathing it out of the balloon.

Breathing helium out of a ballon doesn;t always cause death.

Duh.

Which is what they plan to do.

Bet they don't, because there is no viable alternative for balloons.

I don;t believe that helium party ballons are crucial to the human race,

Corse not, but they are still desirable enough that they wont
be banned just because some choose to use it to suicide,
particularly when there are plenty of obvious alternative
inert gases that can be used to suicide with like natural
gas which is in fact already in so many homes.

and what they'll do is license the organisers of such events.

Taint gunna happen, you watch.

and now think about the averaae person in the UK. I bet
half wouldn't know what an inert gas was let alone find it.

Sure, but that's just as true of what will kill
you reliably in the medicine cabinet too or
even the cupboard under the sink or the shed.

Yes which is why they choose such things
rather than helium, far esieir to aquire.

Its actually due to ignorance, not the ease.

Your ignorance.

We'll see...

There are far far easier and more relible
ways of killing yourself than a party ballon

You are wrong, as always.

The main exception is rope.

the expression give someone enough rope
and they'll hang themselves comes to mind.

and then there's cost.

It doesn't cost enough to matter.

What doesn;t cost enough ?

Helium.

So why don't we see more deaths or suicides
from helium iof it's a cheap suicide method ?

Few who want to kill themselves bother to research that.

Most people that think of killing themselves do it on the spot and
use
whatever is to hand they don;t normally go out and purchase items.

I actually know more than that who have chosen to
get what they need to kill themselves reliably if they
ever decide that they want to do that and all of those
have done that by going out and purchasing items.

So what did they buy.

All of the obvious alternatives, suicide
bags, barbiturates, nembutal, helium.

yeah sure, you might believe it I don't,

Your problem.

unless you can show some real evidence.

The evidence is what they chose to get so they could
use it if they decided they wanted to kill themselves.

The one that has killed himself successfully used a rope.

How much rope ?, would he have used rope
if it were only sold in 1 inch lenghts ?

That's never going to happen.

If he couldn;t have brought the rope

He always could because even Britain wouldn't
actually be stupid enough to have a ban like that.

These people aren't normally in their 'right mind' at the time.

Sure, those spontaneous ones, but there are plenty
of others that are, most obviously with euthanasia.

Which is also illegal in the UK.

Not if you do it to yourself.

Then it's not euthanasia is it.

Corse it is.

if you kill yourself it's suicide if it's a friend or partner or
medical professional does it at your request it's euthanasia.

You're wrong.

euthanasia and sucide ARE differnt even if
teh end result is the same. i.e a corpse.

Wrong.

Look it up.
http://www.differencebetween.info/di...and-euthanasia

Just because some fool claims something...

"Key difference: Suicide is the act of intentionally
taking one's own life. Euthanasia is the practice of
intentionally ending somebody's life in order to
relieve pain and suffering."

And that somebody can be yourself, stupid.

Much more effective to get some helium
that's used for party balloons and use that.

It's not that effective and unlikely to kill you.

Its completely effective and always kills you
when you ensure that that is all you breath.

Which isn't that easy to do,

Bull****. Its completely trivial with a bag over your head.

But those selling party ballons don't put a
bag over cyour head tpo stop you breathing.

Even someone as stupid as you should be
able to work out how to get a bag that big.

Even you'd be able to manage that.

I wouldn't be stupid enough to try.
perhaps yuo should try it.

which is one you can count on one hand the
number of peole that have died in such a way.

Bull****.

then show me all these instances of
people killing themselves by helium .

You made the claim.

You get to do the showing.

That's how it works.

"It's illegal to encourage suicide in the UK, but one
91-year-old US woman ran a business selling "helium
hoods" online, sending butterfly adorned boxes out
across the world before the FBI shut her down. Isaac
warns that, even with helium, there are complications:
"From my own research, helium was readily available
and you can do it yourself. However, there have been
reports of people who have tried it and just woken up
with a really bad headache - they tore the hood off
when they were in a state of semi-consciousness,
because their body was trying to fight for life."

There have been reports of people trying to
hang themselves and failing to do that too.


They don't do that because they can buy it at home.

you can buy a knife almost anywhere,
why travel or order from mexico ?

Because those who do that prefer to drink
something fatal than to fail at slashing
their wrists or stabbing themselves.

Two years ago you could by dehydrated water on the net.

Its easy to test whether what you bought is nembutal.

Why would you want to test it ?

To check if you got what you ordered.

Do you normaly buy such things from an untrusted source ?

When it isnt possible to buy it from a trusted source.

There's even been a far better suggestion in this NG, but
make sure you have the £20 on you before you do it.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjIKPAmCcAA31T3.jpg

That approach is very unreliable.

Not as unrelible as other methods,

Bull****.

electrection is quite a good way of killing yourself.

Bull****. It's a very unreliable way of killing yourself.

plenty of people die from electricution.

**** all do in fact.

More people die from electrocution than breathing in helium.

Because **** all know about using helium to kill yourself.

Another obvious approach is a heroin overdose,

heroin is illegal which could be a problem.

Nope, vast numbers use it every day.

But not to commide suicide,

Irrelevant to your claim about a problem.

Very relivent

Bull****.

as banning heroin is unlikley to change the suicide stats.

Duh.

that is NOT how peaches geldof died.

Irrelevant how that silly cow died.

It's very relivent if you want to know the actual cause of death

I couldn't care less how that stupid cow died.

but that's more risky because you can't be sure
it's the usual strength and so you can't be sure you
will kill yourself with say 10 times the normal dose.

you can be sold anyhting and if it is wrong it can kill you.

A friend of mine changed his speed dealer, he injected it,
but didn;t know the new dealwer cut it with clucose rather
than anadin and he was rushed to hospital as his arm
swelled up. He was no taking speed to kill himself.

Irrelevant to those who do.

Again I don;t know anyone that has taken speed
in order to kill themselves as a delibrate act. Speed
is a drug that can help you stay awake not 'fall asleep.

So there is no point in mindlessly rabbiting
on about it when suicide is being discussed.