whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
as do those who do it via their car exhaust.
And the change made to the gas supplied to houses.
Not sure that's true,
Corse it is. The change from town gas to natural gas
meant that you couldn't suicide that way anymore.
I thought you could still kill yourself from natural gas.
Only in the sense that its an inert gas that can be used
in a suicide bag to avoid gasping for air as you do if
you use the bag by itself and get just CO2 in the bag
over time.
You cant kill yourself by putting your head in a gas
oven like you used to be able to do with town gas
because it had a high level of CO and that kills you
like the car exhaust used to do before the advent
of catalytic converters that stop that now.
I'm pretty sure you can in the same
why you'd kill yourself with helium.
Yes, but that's now how town gas was used to suicide.
they did not change the gas suply to
all house in order to reduce suicides,
No one said they did.
But they did limit the sales of pills like asprin and
paracetomol to reduce both the number of deaths
from the product and the number of 'accidents'.
And no one else did, so its unlikely to have had much effect.
Certainly no effect is visible in the stats.
Presumably because **** all ever succeeded in
killing themselves that way for various reasons.
they added something to make the gas
smell making leaks easier to detect.
Which is irrelevant if you choose to kill yourself that way.
Unless you really don't like the smell.
It didn't have any real effect on those
killing themselves with town gas.
10X that many choose drugs
Interesting that I couldn't find much in the way
of the detail on exactly what drugs they did use.
That;s true although most don;t chose herion to comite
suicide by, but that may well end up killing them.
I DO NOT believe peaches geldof attempted suicide.
They are first when it comes to thinhgs you can avoid,
That wasn't what you said originally.
What I said was they won;lt allow you to buy large
quanaties of asprin and this was because of suicides.
That isnt what is still at the top of the quoting.
Basically it was because peole were both dying and gettign
seriously ill from taking too many asprin and/or paracetomol.
How odd that no other country saw that.
One way to reduce the likelihood of such events is to
reduce the availibility of the products to hand at the time.
But it doesn't do that. All you have
to do is visit more than one shop.
How do you suffocate yourself to death ?
Those bags those into euthanasia have been into for a long
time now. You put it over your head and its got a thing that
goes around your neck to get a decent seal there.
can you show a link to an incident where this actually happene din
the UK and where yuo can buy such things. I'd like a pack of 10 ;-)
There is nothing special about them, just a bag large enough
and something to wrap around the neck, a strip of cloth is fine
and so is packing tape or a large zip tie or some string.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag
I wonder how many people
used them, few I'd have thought
Yes, but that's mainly because most don't know about that method.
and they are illegal to buy.
No they aren't, you are free to buy bags big
enough for that and the other stuff everyone has.
The FACT is that the reason you can't buy jars of 100
asprin is because of suicides and accidental overdoses.
Even that is a very dubious proposition given that there are very
few countrys that ban the sale of that many aspirins at one time.
Ask the medical profession in the UK about sales in the UK.
No point, no one disputed that they are banned there.
But the reason(s) is apparently.
Nope.
What is being discussed is whether it makes any sense to ban them.
well that would depend on how effective the ban has been.
And it obviously hasn't been when there has been no effect
on the number of successful or unsuccessful suicides.
Or even on the number of those who damage
themselves by taking too many aspirins either.
No other country is that stupid.
Or clever.
Nothing clever about it when there is no effect on the stats.
There's no ban on me buying too much rope or a ban on buying
too many pillows in argos in case I try to suffocate myslef.
There's no ban on knif buying( other than age restrictions)
Because those bans just arent practical.
Exactly it's pretty easy to tell companies that they
can;t sell bottles of 100 asprin/paracetomol.
And that is pointless because its trivial to buy 5 packs of 20 instead.
Not as trival as it was, I couldn't buy 3 in the same shop.
Completely trivial to go to more than one shop.
There is a ban on what used to be
used to kill yourself with drugs wise.
Laudanum ?
Nope, barbiturates etc.
So barbiturates can't be brought
is that what you're saying. ?
Nope.
There is also a ban on poisons like cyanide that used
to be used for suicide most obviously by the nazis too.
It's because it's leathal and has little use that for the general
public.
Duh.
Why would cyanide be brought ?
Pest control.
I'll tell you peole like smoking and cyanide exists in commercially
availble cigs you can buy a quite a number of shops. I DO NOT know
of anyone that has brought them with the aim to commite suicide.
Because they are useless for killing yourself with.
The Nazis did but hopefully they are few and far between.
cyanide is NOT availble easily by the general public, so
it's vberyu unlikely you#ll find suffecint quantaties in teh
average home that you can 'take' in order to kill yourself.
Duh.
Essentially because there is no real downside to those bans.
There's little downside to not being able to buy 100 paracetomol , but
I was stoped from buying 3 packets of headache pills in the supermarket.
I wasn't.
Lucky/unlukey you, most people are if
they go to a reputable outlet in the UK.
Their problem.
The ban on aspirins is completely silly,
It's NOT a ban on Asprins any more than a
70MPH speed limit is a ban on driving.
you cant kill yourself with too many aspirins
you can.
DO yy know about teh LD50 where 50% of teh population will die
from taking more than 1mg of pacetomol per 1Kg of body wieght.
Paracetamol is not aspirin.
if you are that clever you should know that ;-
Aspirin alone has been linked to numerous adverse side
effects, including but not limited to: kidney failure, liver
failure, ulcers, hearing loss and hemorrhagic stroke.
Irrelevant to whether anyone trys to kill themselves that way.
A study conducted on the elderly in 2000 showed
them to be even more at risk to being heavily affected,
the study concluded that even when only taking an
undersized 75mg/day dose significant changes were
noted in their renal (kidney) functionality.
Irrelevant to whether anyone trys to kill themselves that way.
The impact is not limited to the elderly however, as another
study conducted in 2009 found 80% of individuals (previously
qualified as perfectly healthy) experienced small intestinal
toxicity, after just 14 days of low-dosage aspirin use.
Irrelevant to whether anyone trys to kill themselves that way.
ASprin can do you serious damage.
Irrelevant to whether anyone trys to kill themselves that way.
Yes it is, but by that tome most have 'calmed'
down or changed their mind in that time,
You don't know that.
I do .
You don't.
thats the whole point.
No other country agrees on that.
So what.
So its unlikely to be useful, otherwise others would have noticed.
Aquiring asuffecient quantity and having to talk to people
has the effect of calming or re-analising the situation.
Bull****.
What do you think councilers do.
Nothing useful.
They've even painted yellow lines on teh underground station platforms,
this is because peole are stupid and they NEED to go given limits,
but those lines don;t stop anyone from commiting suicide there
aim is to educate the stupid and make them THINK, also make
them THINK accident can happen and if you're balancing on
the edge of a cliff or station you can fall or be pushed.
Nothing to do with suicide.
exactly but yellow lines can help stop accidents.
Irrelevant to what we are discussing, suicide.