On Thursday, 9 October 2014 22:42:52 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
50 wouldn;t there is a formulae 1.7g per 1KG body wieght 50% of peole
would be killed is the estimate.
Which is nothing like 50 pills. Try 1K for a 60Kg person.
It doesn;t take 1k to give you organ damage. That can happen with less than a dozen.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/health...-aspirin-a-day
"If taking aspirin were without side-effects and completely risk free, it might make sense for everyone with heart disease, or just worried about it, to take it. But aspirin does have risks. Reducing blood's clotting potential can lead to hemorrhagic stroke (bleeding inside the brain). In the stomach, aspirin can cause everything from a feeling of mild heartburn to bleeding ulcers. Severe gastrointestinal bleeding can be deadly."
Don't take aspirin just because you've heard it can help prevent a heart attack or stroke. It can, but it can also do some damage. There's no exact tipping point at which it makes sense to start taking an aspirin a day. If you are healthy, haven't been diagnosed with heart disease or other cardiovascular disease, and don't have risk factors for them, aspirin probably isn't for you. You'll reap little benefit while exposing yourself to side effects you'd rather stay away from.
Those that attempt it with asprin/paracetomol aren't in their right mind.
Or are just pig ignorant.
Like yourself ?
Or do you think that those that go to switzerland for euthanasia
are stupid because they could just go to a supermarket and buy
a couple of 100 pills for a fraction of the air fare ?
That wont kill them with aspirin.
or they know that it's unrealible and painful.
Why don't they buy a suicide bag ?
But then again it's no suprise that yuo don;t know the differnce between
euthanasia and suicide.
Because that IS a fact. about 35p for 16 pills of 300mg.
Which wont kill you with aspirin.
Unlikily is the fact here, which is why they don't mind people buying boxes of 16.
Many of them are, most obviously with euthanasia.
I believe those ARE thinking straight.
Pity about your original that you have carefully deleted from the quoting..
then put it back in.
For most it's a cry for help
Which aint suicide, stupid.
How can you tell the differnce ?
Dont; forget that limiting the number of pills is to reduce the
number of deaths from those pills.
it was with my flatmat which is why she phoned her friend
after taking the pills saying where she was but don;t come
to help her as she'd taken a bottle of pills to kill herself.
So it wasn't suicide, stupid.
OK stupid what would have happened if she'd had 100 left in trhe jar rather than the dozen or so she had.
I doubt you even know that it's mostly women that choose a pill and that men prefer high buildings for such things generally speaking.
You just don;t phone a friend with a car that lives 10mins away
and tell them where you are if you truely want to kill yourself.
So it wasn't suicide, stupid.
NO it wan;t stupid, because she remained alive.
Not being able to aquire more than the dozen or so pills meant she had to leave her house, but as it was 11pm she wandered the streets of north london..
If she'd had 100 pills she would have taken them but I don;t she'd have made it out the house. It's not the 1st tiome she's 'attrempted suicide' that was the 3rd each time she has contacted someone for help BEFORE dying. !!!
Then there's still the 'accidental' overdose
I don't believe that happens much with aspirin
in the sort of quantity that produces liver failure.
Actually I think it's kidney failure, but they do want people
that taking just one a day can cause stomuch ulcers, so not
sure what effect taking a 100 in a few minutes might do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin_poisoning#Severity
Yep see.. you can kill yourself with asprin but it's not easy as most think..
or the help me overdoes,
If you're taking other medicines and asprin you might
exceed a safe limit which is about 4g per day.
But the limit on how many you can buy will have no effect on that.
At least you've got that right, so if yuo're taking another drug even say night nurse you need/should to be aware of what's in it.
You do realise that you can even be killed by drinking too much water.
But there is no limit on how much of that you can buy at a time.
No there isn;t as few if any people buy water in order to commite suicide so that's why there wouldn't be much point in limiting sales of it.
You can do that with spirits too, and there is no limit on
how much of that you can buy at a time in a bottle either.
Most know the effects of such things, they certainly take such thimgs for fun and depression but I've yet to hear anyone say I want to commit suicide think I'll buy a crate of gin/vodka.......
I had a flatmate (before she lived with me) who took about
15 paracetomols to kill herself because she was despressed.
She failed.
Sure, paracetamol can certainly kill you.
People think all headache pills can kill
I doubt too many think that about aspirin.
Perhaps that's the problem. They get a headache take a dozen asprin the headache remains they take another dozen....
The more you have the more you can take.
If it were a 100 or 200 jar she might have done
her self some serioius harm but not death.
I just don't believe that many would buy 100 or 200 jars of paracetamol.
You don't need to buy them they just need to be at hand at the 'right
time'.
They wouldn't be on hand at the right time unless you buy them.
My father used to buy Asprin in bottles of 200 from boots.
it was he how forst told me about it.
He used to take 1 a day and only ever brought the boots ones.
That last was done for other reasons, to make
it harder for kids to take them accidentally.
So was putting child proof caps on bottles,
Those are much more of a problem for those with arthritis etc.
Didn't stop the child proof tops being impletmeted did it ?
You wont find much that can kill you unreliably there either.
Yes you will. Most at at least contain scissors you can certainly do some damaged with scissors.
or for you to go and find your inert gas,
Its completely trivial to do that, any place flogging party balloons.
Just the sort of place you'll go to when suffering depretion a 'party'
and anyway there's moves to stop those helium ballon sellers,
Not by anyone that matters.
Whether or not it matters to you is irrelivant but I still don't believe they'll be lots of potential suicides from helium ballons.
I don;t believe the 13 year old girl was breathing in helium in order to commite suicide.
why do you think that is, because NASA was affraid of teh competition ?
Because its obviously possible to kill yourself accidentally,
particularly given that helium has an interesting effect on
your voice.
But the above case was the first or one of the 1st in the UK.
Lots of people have breathed in helium and not died.
you can stop such accidents by baning these ballons
or requiring a license to sell them with helium.
That wouldn't stop someone from breathing it out of the balloon.
Breathing helium out of a ballon doesn;t always cause death.
Which is what they plan to do.
Bet they don't, because there is no viable alternative for balloons.
I don;t believe that helium party ballons are crucial to the human race,
and what they'll do is license the organisers of such events.
and now think about the averaae person in the UK. I bet
half wouldn't know what an inert gas was let alone find it.
Sure, but that's just as true of what will kill
you reliably in the medicine cabinet too or
even the cupboard under the sink or the shed.
Yes which is why they choose such things
rather than helium, far esieir to aquire.
Its actually due to ignorance, not the ease.
Your ignorance.
There are far far easier and more relible ways of killing yourself than a party ballon
The main exception is rope.
the expression give someone enough rope
and they'll hang themselves comes to mind.
and then there's cost.
It doesn't cost enough to matter.
What doesn;t cost enough ?
Helium.
So why don't we see more deaths or suicides from helium
iof it's a cheap suicide method ?
Most people that think of killing themselves do it on the spot and use
whatever is to hand they don;t normally go out and purchase items.
I actually know more than that who have chosen to
get what they need to kill themselves reliably if they
ever decide that they want to do that and all of those
have done that by going out and purchasing items.
So what did they buy.
All of the obvious alternatives, suicide bags, barbiturates,
nembutal, helium.
yeah sure, you might believe it I don't, unless you can show some real evidence.
The one that has killed himself successfully used a rope.
How much rope ?, would he have used rope
if it were only sold in 1 inch lenghts ?
That's never going to happen.
If he couldn;t have brought the rope how would he have killed himself
?
These people aren't normally in their 'right mind' at the time.
Sure, those spontaneous ones, but there are plenty
of others that are, most obviously with euthanasia.
Which is also illegal in the UK.
Not if you do it to yourself.
Then it's not euthanasia is it.
Corse it is.
if you kill yourself it's suicide if it's a friend or partner or medical professional does it at your request it's euthanasia.
euthanasia and sucide ARE differnt even if
teh end result is the same. i.e a corpse.
Wrong.
Look it up.
http://www.differencebetween.info/di...and-euthanasia
"Key difference: Suicide is the act of intentionally taking one's own life. Euthanasia is the practice of intentionally ending somebody's life in order to relieve pain and suffering."
Much more effective to get some helium
that's used for party balloons and use that.
It's not that effective and unlikely to kill you.
Its completely effective and always kills you
when you ensure that that is all you breath.
Which isn't that easy to do,
Bull****. Its completely trivial with a bag over your head.
But those selling party ballons don't put a bag over cyour head tpo stop you breathing.
Even you'd be able to manage that.
I wouldn't be stupid enough to try. perhaps yuo should try it.
which is one you can count on one hand the
number of peole that have died in such a way.
Bull****.
then show me all these instances of people killing themselves by helium .
"It's illegal to encourage suicide in the UK, but one 91-year-old US woman ran a business selling "helium hoods" online, sending butterfly adorned boxes out across the world before the FBI shut her down. Isaac warns that, even with helium, there are complications: "From my own research, helium was readily available and you can do it yourself. However, there have been reports of people who have tried it and just woken up with a really bad headache - they tore the hood off when they were in a state of semi-consciousness, because their body was trying to fight for life."
They don't do that because they can buy it at home.
you can buy a knife almost anywhere, why travel or order from mexico ?
Two years ago you could by dehydrated water on the net.
Its easy to test whether what you bought is nembutal.
Why would you want to test it ?
Do you normaly buy such things from an untrusted source ?
There's even been a far better suggestion in this NG, but
make sure you have the £20 on you before you do it.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjIKPAmCcAA31T3.jpg
That approach is very unreliable.
Not as unrelible as other methods,
Bull****.
electrection is quite a good way of killing yourself.
plenty of people die from electricution.
**** all do in fact.
More people die from electrocution than breathing in helium.
Another obvious approach is a heroin overdose,
heroin is illegal which could be a problem.
Nope, vast numbers use it every day.
But not to commide suicide,
Irrelevant to your claim about a problem.
Very relivent as banning heroin is unlikley to change the suicide stats.
that is NOT how peaches geldof died.
Irrelevant how that silly cow died.
It's very relivent if you want to know the actual cause of death rather than being a ****wit.
While you're at it perhaps you'd like to have a go at the maccans....
but that's more risky because you can't be sure
it's the usual strength and so you can't be sure you
will kill yourself with say 10 times the normal dose.
you can be sold anyhting and if it is wrong it can kill you.
A friend of mine changed his speed dealer, he injected it,
but didn;t know the new dealwer cut it with clucose rather
than anadin and he was rushed to hospital as his arm
swelled up. He was no taking speed to kill himself.
Irrelevant to those who do.
Again I don;t know anyone that has taken speed in order to kill themselves as a delibrate act. Speed is a drug that can help you stay awake not 'fall asleep.