First thing, not all sets are created equal. The set that came along with
the used lathe I got was a craftsman set. The only tools out of it I still
use are the left and right scrappers.

As far as tools for spindles and face work, I tend to mix them around. I
use a large spindle gouge (5/8" bar) for roughing bowls, but a bowl gouge
with a swept back edge for much of my spindle roughing. I never use skew on
face work, but I do use a spindle gouge to do beads on cutting boards and
trivets.

I do the vast majority of my bowl work with the above mentioned spindle
gouge, a bowl gouge (1/2" or 5/8" bar stock), a large bowl scrapper, and my
left and right hand scrappers. The left and right are for forming the
tenons and shear cutting. For a beginner, they could do without the spindle
gouge.

As far as sharpening my expensive tools when I was a beginner, I was fairly
pragmatic about it. I knew they wouldn't last forever, so I just got to
grinding.

I teach classes fairly often and I would rather have my students get the
right tools for what they are learning than to get a set with tools that are
a compromise. I haven't seen a full sized set that I could reccomend. I
have seen some small, pen oriented sets that were fine.

--
Rusty Myers
Austin, TX

"George" wrote in message
...
Another of those evergreen discussions on whether it is better for a new
turner to purchase a set or "the best tools you can afford" one at a time
has begun.

Now I'm not one for conspiracy theories, so I really don't believe that
sets
are made up of the _least_ popular tools to solve a manufacturer's
overstock
problem. I'm also convinced, given the number of sizes, grinds, lengths
and
alloys out there, that there cannot be an absolute "best" in any of those
categories, or we'd all get it at whatever the price. It's our hobby
after
all, or for some their livelihood, and hang the expense.

May I request a show of hands of all who use _every_ tool in their
collection, and equally?

All of you liars who raised your hands may sit down - we're interested in
honest responses. If you have more than one exemplar, you have a
favorite,
and the second languishes on the shelf. Or, perhaps you do as I have
done,
and regrind the profile on that second-best for another job. Pointy
gouges
for hollowing come easily to my mind.

Now how many honest responders think there's a set of tools for spindle
turning and a set for bowl turning, and no crossover?

Good, everyone realizes that parting tools, scrapers, gouges, and even
skews
don't care if the wood they're working is between centers or not. I'll go
one further, and admit that I have used my beading tool, a double-ground,
half inch non-skew ground tool to turn the edges of bowls or put the odd
decorative bead on them. I am even one of those fools who uses a roughing
gouge to clear away unwanted wood from the convex outer profile. One
thing
I have seldom done is use a bowl gouge or ring tool on spindle work, but
they're rarely included in sets. So, if every tool included in the
average
set, and a couple which are not, can work both between centers and off a
faceplate/chuck ... why not buy a set?

Certainly other considerations enter. How many felt competent and
confident
of their ability to touch their expensive gouge to that whirring grinding
wheel when they were beginning? No trepidation?

Thought I told you liars to keep out of this! A little too heavy or long
on the wheel, and your sixty-dollar tool is toast. Or at least a lot
shorter by the time you try to replicate the original grind. Makes that
inexpensive set look a lot more economical than "the best," now doesn't
it.
Less invested means less to lose ... so why not buy cheap?


I have never mastered a tool I didn't own, though I have used others' for
demonstrations. Makes me glad I got the widest variety of tools I could
afford to experiment on while developing my skills, even though that
diamond
point scraper had to have been the most useless tool in the shop until I
reground it to a beading tool. I'M GLAD I BOUGHT A SET, it encouraged me
to experiment and grow. Unless you have constant access to a large
number
of other people's tools, I'd advise all of you beginners to do likewise.