On 3/9/2014 6:23 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 18:15:05 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 3/9/2014 5:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 13:31:05 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 3/9/2014 12:18 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 13:03:10 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 12:42:21 -0400, wrote:
Fact, Jack. That's *exactly* the decision I was confronted with.
$1600 for the Unisaw - $3500 for the "equivalent" SawStop. The $1600
was do-able (up from the $1400 for the budgeted Griz). $3500 would
have had me laughed out of the "capital acquisition" meeting.

As usual, your fact are full of holes.

Now you're calling me a liar. Figures.

Powermatic PM2000 ~ $3000
Delta 36-L352 ~ $3000
SawStop Professional cabinet saw ~ $3000

http://www.consumersearch.com/table-...s/cabinet-saws

I'm telling you WHAT MY DECISION WAS. GOT IT?

The REAL TRUTH is that MOST SawStop naysayers like you are too busy
letting your emotions overrule your common sense. You hate GASS'
business tactics so much that you'll consider any excuse to exclude a
SawStop from your purchasing condition.

Bull****. Like most suck-ups, you're talking out both sides of your
mouth. You admit that price is an issue and that there is a decision
to be made, yet you denigrate those who don't agree with a choice
you've NEVER MADE and probably never will.

I don't care that some love SawStop. Sobeit. Their decision.
However, when some know-nothing jumps into the fray, talking out both
sided of his mouth, it's really funny.



It does speak volumes to actually have stepped up and bought the saw. I
did.

Yes, it means you weighed the choices and decided that it was worth
it. I'm perfectly fine with that, as long as that choice exists.

Every one is entitled to their opinion with out being attacked and or
being compared to an idiot or the possibility of being more of an idiot.

Well, that's really at the bottom of my point. Choice is a good
thing.

Experience trumps, "what he said" or going with the popular consensus,
every time.

AGW is pretty popular but it doesn't make it right. Socialism is
pretty popular, right now, too.



I think where you and I may be at odds on this discussion is that you
might think that "I" think the SawStop should be in every ones shop. I
don't believe that to the extent that everyone must have one in their
shop.

You've certainly made that implication, in the past and really are
quite close to it in this.

Well way way back when I thought it was a good enough idea to make
mandatory. I have changed my mind on that given the implications that if
you give them an inch they will take a mile. I never liked the method
of the product being marketed after being turned down by the other
builders. But I am quite flexible in my thinking. If you can show me
valid reasoning I will consider it but I prefer to leave the emotional
side of reasoning to my wife, and she would whole heartily agree.



I think it would be good if the competition would have partnered
with SawStop to begin with and then every one could have had the choice
of having the technology "or not" in the brands of their choice.

Gass had no intention of making it available with "reasonable and
non-discriminatory" conditions.

Well that is here say. Since no actual contracts were negotiated no one
really knows what the contracts would have said. Naturally a
manufacturer will ask the highest price that they think they can get.
And one of the manufacturers did agree to the some kind of terms but
something, and no one knows what that some thing was, did cause the deal
to fall through the cracks. I highly suspect there was some agreement,
by those that were approached, to not accept the offers and force this
new guy out. Little did any of them know just how successful Gass would
be in producing his own product and is also suspect they are all
probably rethinking the opportunity missed.
In a nut shell no one knows what any of the negotiated deals would have
been.



I prefer to leave the political aspect out of the discussion.

Impossible. It is at its heart a political discussion.

Perhaps impossible for you but I have no problem with simply looking at
the product. Now if you really want to get ****ed off lets consider the
fact that we no longer have a choice of buying health care or not. At
least with the SawStop the intentions were not to mandate that every
citizen of the US be required to buy a SawStop even if they did not ever
have any intention of buying any woodworking equipment what so ever.