On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 13:06:35 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Ignoramus28714 wrote:

On 2013-12-04, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 17:14:14 -0600, Ignoramus19407
wrote:

On 2013-12-03, F George McDuffee wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:22:47 -0800, mike
wrote:

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Wages are determined by supply and demand.
Businesses raise wages until they get all the jobs filled.
As long as immigrants, legal or illegal, feel that they're
better off at McDonalds than their previous job, the wages
wont' rise.
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Thanks for the explication/demonstration of how
unrestricted/illegal immigration "short-circuits" the tacit
assumptions required for the "free market" and law of supply
and demand to benignly / productively operate, as envisioned
by the neo-cons and "Washington Consensus" fanatics, but
which operationally results in a Kamikaze race to the
bottom. FWIW -- this also applies for the higher paying
jobs such as programmers and engineers, e.g. H1b.



I do not think that a McDonalds franchisee can hire an illegal
immigrant.

Some franchises probably would if they could get away with it.

A lot of people could, and do, hire illegal aliens. But a McDonalds
franchisee cannot, they are overseen very heavily.


Additionally, illegal immigrants are people too and they need to eat.

Not HERE they don't, damnit! They can get legal or get lost. mumble,
mumble LEGAL immigrants can eat here all they please.

But they are people too.

And their countries of origin are countries too and they need to get
back to them. Follow the rules and come here legally. If you don't like
the rules it doesn't give you license to ignore them.
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In all fairness it should be noted that U.S. actions have
largely caused the flood of legal and undocumented
immigrants by destroying the employment opportunities and
sociocultural infrastructure in their own countries.

In most cases these policies were formulated and implemented
by the elitist cliques/blocs, with minimal to no input from
the general public, but with maximum perceived benefit for
the cliques, which range from massive global social
engineering on the progressive left to enormous personal
profits on the reactionary right.

For example, NAFTA was negotiated with minimal public
notice, and ratified with almost no serious evaluation. By
opening the Mexican agricultural sector to competition with
the gigantic American agribusinesses such as ADM, Cargill,
Monsanto, and the corporate factory farms, enormous profits
were indeed made, but the existing small-scale subsistence
farming that provided employment for hundreds of thousands
of people for generations was destroyed by the stroke of a
pen. This further destabilized what was already a unstable
economy, leading directly into the current problems of the
narcoeconomy. The Mexican cities are full, with minimal
employment opportunities, particularly for dispossessed
rural economic refugees, so in too many cases, its the US or
starvation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatis...nal_Liberation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiapas_conflict
http://www.chiapas-support.org/main.htm

This is yet another [international] example of socializing
the costs but privatizing the profits. Most any activity,
no matter how stupid or short-sighted, can be extremely
profitable, if enough of the costs can externalized [foisted
off on someone else].