On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 09:19:49 -0800, no spam wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:56:14 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 16:43:16 -0600, Richard
wrote:
I'm still looking for a Capri 22.
Looks like that's going to be a bit more expensive.
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/4226956341.html
Catalina Capri 25 sailboat - $4900 (Sarasota)
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1984 Catalina Capri 25, serial 413. Fixed keel, 4ft draft
Recent Hood Seafurl-5 roller furling, forestay and life lines.
2003 Tohatsu 9.9hp outboard runs great.
Standard mainsail, 155 genoa, & spinnaker. All canvas in good
condition.
Spinnaker, pole, and lines rarely used. Additional whisker pole.
Bottom paint job 2 years old, maintained and cleaned by professional
diver.
Compass and depth gage. Nav and mast lights. Porta-potty.
Sailing regularly in Sarasota Bay.
Location: Sarasota
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How well does the swing-down keel work on any of these boats. Typically
first to leak and cause lots of problems that are hard or impossible to
fix - including making noise as you come about etc.?
Swing keels work very well..if they are designed properly. They
seldom leak, but maintainence of the swing keel bolt does need to be
done every 5-10 yrs. Which at worst takes about an hour or two.
Simply put a jack under the swing keel and brace the keel, unscrew the
nut and remove the bolt, look in the hole with a flash light to see
how oval the bronze/brass liner has gotten to be...replace the nut and
bolt along with new seals and add a bit of 5200 sealant, tighten and
your back in business. If the boat has been used heavily for 30 or so
years..one simply drops the 100-1000 lb keel, sandblasts and reglasses
it, replace the bronze or brass bushing, lifts it back into place,
installs a new nut and bolt, new seals and you are back in business
again. The cable used to lift and lower the keel should be replaced
every 5-10 yrs if used in salt water and about double that if used in
fresh water.
From another group...
If your boat is to be craned in and out (lifted by straps to the water
and then back to its cradle), a fixed keel will offer a bit better
performance. If you must launch the boat from a ramp with a trailer,
the swing-keel is the lone practical hull configuration of the two.
Check with the yard to find out how boats are launched/recovered, then
you'll know.
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Swing Keel vs Fixed
The problem with swing keels, vs center board boats, is all the
ballast is in that big swinging plate with a swing keel. In a
knockdown, the board can swing back up and the boat will no longer
have positive stability. The could leave you with the mast pointing
down and the part of your boat that should never see the sun blinded
by the light. Multiple deaths from a swing keeler that turned turtle
in San Diego Bay last year.
Center board boats have smallish keel and a largely unweighted board.
The board does not act as ballast. When it's down, it adds additional
resistance to sideways motion for better windward performance.
Keel boats come in all sorts of configuations and keel depths. Racing
boats will have a deeper, shorter keel. More cruising oriented boats
will tend to have shallower, longer keels. The deeper the keel, the
more resistance to healing and better able to stand up to more sail
area in stronger winds. A blessing for the racer, not so much so for
the cruiser.
What really will determine what you need is the launch ramps in your
area. If they get deep quickly, full keel boats are easy to launch
with an extendable tongue or even a rope to get the boat and trailer
into deeper water. If the launch ramps are shallow, you'll be forced
to go with a shallow draft fixed keel, centerboarder, or swing keel.
That is if there are no lifts in your area. Most of the Yacht clubs on
the Alameda Estuary have simple permanent cranes for launching keel
boats up to around 30' length and 6' plus draft. The boats are built
with a lift ring so it's just a matter of hooking to the crane,
hoisting the boat out, and swingine it onto it's trailer.
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There are two big advantages of swing keel boats.
1. They are easy to trailer and launch
2. They are usable in lakes
The two negatives of swing keel boats
1. They have their ballast in a moving chunk of steel
2. They need some maintainence in the swing keel now and then
They arent "Quite"as good up wind as full keel boats..depending on the
design of the full keel.....that being said..a good swing keel will
sail better than a poorly designed fixed keel
http://www.goodoldboat.com/reader_se...keeldesign.php
There are a number of boats out there that have full LIFTING
keels..that lift a decent sized (and ballasted) keel designed like a
fixed keel boat using a winch..and those are quite good..but they tend
to be found on boats 30' or longer simply because they take room away
from the cabin. When you lift 4-8' of keel..it has to go in the
cabin..somewhere....
Side photos of boats with swing keels on trailer....
http://triadtrailers.com/triad-trail...t/catalina-22/
http://blaine-wa.americanlisted.com/..._22141425.html
Notice that they sit low on the trailer? The first one..still has
12" of keel below the boat even when trailered..and on many lakes in
light air (wind)..thats all you really need..that 12" sticking out.
So you can go into very shallow water. Both of my current boats have
10-12" of keel hanging below the boat when retracted so I can gunkhole
(play in shallow water) easily and still sail into the wind with some
sucess.
Fixed keel boats on trailer...
The first below..is the same boat as #1 above...just a fixed keel
version
http://www.pbase.com/sinnettc/image/100839405/large.jpg
http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/arEa/...032-44289.html
http://www.sailingtexas.com/piccatalina30va.jpg
This one...is a ballasted short keel with a swing
centerboard..probably the best for both worlds..assuming you are not a
racer
http://s174.photobucket.com/user/ewa...00048.jpg.html
they packed 1680 lbs (on that boat) in the two sides of that
centerboard housing for ballast..which works fine when you are shallow
and keeps the boat stable even in deep water..and the
centerboard/swing keel provides sideways resistance.
The most common issues with swing keel boats..is going out in salt
water..cranking the keel down..and it doesnt move. Or having it down
and at the end of the season..cranking it up..and it only comes up
part way. Barnacles and similar sea life have made the housing in the
bottom of the boat home..and have lodged that 600-1500 lb chunk of
iron in place. That seldom if ever happens in fresh water...and since
most guys trailer to fresh water, sail for the day or a week..and then
trailer back up and go home..its really a swing keel world..fresh
water. Lake sailing. Great Lakes excepted..as they are inland
freshwater seas.
Now racing...having a well designed light boat with lots of sail and a
well designed fixed keel...they point higher into the wind by several
degrees than do most (not all) swing keel boats. The C22 swing keel
I posted first..has the reputation of being every bit as fast as the
fixed keel version..and one doesnt need a crane to put in the water
and to put it back on the trailer at the end of the day.
Cruisers..people who go places... like across the ocean...have
different needs and construction is much different than racers of
course. They need a boat that is tough enough and heavy enough to hit
the high seas in the worst weather and come to land on the far side
safely.
Us lake sailers...light boats, swing keels, a good trailer, a cooler
full of sodas and brauts..a good breeze and we are happy.
Gunner
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"Owning a sailboat is like marrying a nymphomaniac. You don’t want to do that
but it is great if your best friend does. That way you get all the benefits without any of the upkeep"
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