On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:07:46 -0800, "Howard Beal"
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On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:40:32 PM UTC-5, F. George McDuffee wrote:


The entire point of my post is that we are already paying

15$/hr (or more). The employer pays part, and the rest is

paid by local, state and federal taxes in the form of SNAP,

Mediaid, subsidized housing, etc.


But people are employed. The alternative is to not have people work and
pay all of the costs from local , state , and federal taxes.




Thus it would seem that both the progressives and neo-cons

should be in favor of forcing labor (and many other) costs

back on to the company books, albeit for different reasons.



The worst person to lie to is yourself...

You are lying to yourself when you think that raising the minimum wage
will reduce the cost to society. It will raise the cost to society by
reducing the number of workers.
Dan

Automation will advance regardless of what the minimum wage is. In the very
near future many manual
labor jobs will become obsolete, remember meter readers? The big question
that no one has an answer
for is what will all the displaced under educated workers do to earn a
living. The cost to society will be
great.

Best Regards.
Tom.

This has happened repeatedly throughout history..and many times since
the Industrial Revolution. Learn a new trade..or go down with the
ship.

I started fixing machine tools in machine shops in the mid 1990s.
Most..not all..but most machine shops had a majority of manual
machines. You had to turn cranks and read dials and know what the ****
you were doing to make parts. We started putting very affordable small
CNC lathes in..and some machinists refuse to learn to run and program
them. They were the first to go when their manual machines were sold.
The smart ones..learned to program and run their new CNC lathes. They
did very well financially.

It happened with the buggy whip makers etc etc etc.

The Luddites and the Wobblies are examples of what will happen when
things get desperate.....


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