On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:28:53 -0500, Richard
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On 9/27/2013 12:58 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:47:05 -0500,
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On 9/26/2013 8:46 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:57:45 -0500,
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On 9/24/2013 1:09 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:34:02 -0500,
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On 9/24/2013 12:54 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:

Gunner, I don't know how it was in WWII, but by the time Viet Nam came
around, they'd fixed that ballistics problem.

All we shot in both the M-60s and the Browning .50s was 4-and-1 ball and
tracer. I can guarantee you that out to about 500 yards (maybe 700),
they both held target on the tracer rounds, perfectly.

We had a lot of 'directed fire' kills to attest to that.

LLoyd

That agrees with my personal experience with M-60 and M-14.

And - fighters had to be at least that close to the target to hit
anything. So longer range shooting doesn't really happen.

Mighty dangerous firing tracer from the M14 or in my case..the early
version of the XM-21



Kinda depends on which end you are looking at, doesn't it?

True. Its far more dangerous to the shooter. The Target is a foregone
conclusion. and is the Enemy. Of no value at all..... alive.



I've fired several thousand tracers from an M-60.
Maybe I should have asked if it was safe first?

Should you? How much yellow/green return tracers did you get?

Gunner

Never saw any yellow.
But the green once can get real big!

They certainly can! And those suckers are fast too!


Since we were most often flying at the time, the tracers make the most
beautiful curves. (well, so did mine, but I actually like mine!)
It looks like they are going somewhere else, then they slowly curve in
toward you and pick up speed.

It takes a while to learn which ones have your name on them...


Its been my experience... those..you never see. Of course..I was
seldom flying into a cloud of them. Shrug


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