On 30/07/2013 14:41, fred wrote:

There are these for ~£3 but not PIR -
http://cpc.farnell.com/pro-elec/ht01...8587?Ntt=LA039

8587&CMP=NLem1

Bought one of these try, total junk, very dim. You know those warnings
not to stare directly into the beam of ultrabright leds? This product
does not need one.

Its about the same output as my two AA cell torch.
Plenty bright enough at 10 feet with the reflector removed.