On Jun 18, 8:48*am, Robert Macy wrote:
On Jun 18, 1:34*am, "
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On Jun 17, 10:27*pm, "

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On Jun 17, 9:08*pm, Metspitzer wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:56:00 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy

wrote:
Ok Ok I know this is simple but it's irritating me beyond belief.

Leviton light switches.

In a dual box next to an outside door there are two light switches..
One is the single control for a porch light, the other is a one of
four switches that turn on/off the hall way lights.

Of course the installer put the hallway light switch adjacent to the
door opening and the porch light switch way on the inside. Plus, paid
no attention to having all of the individual multiple switches end up
in any proper position when the hallway light is off, so want to
change. *Swapping these two switches in their physical location in the
box is no problem the wiring appears to be long enough, although the
cabling comes down through the inlet holes in the wrong places. but
still reaches.

Big problem is the best way to change the switching action of the
multiple control switch. Went to google, not much help there. as
usual. *Did find that 4 wire means 3 switches, not four. and nothing
for 5-wire and found an interesting description of how a 'control'
switch is in the box that supplies wiring up to the fixture. That may
be this box, but doubt it, because this switch has four leads.

However *if* this is the cable that goes up to the light fixtures; why
there would be a RED and a BLACK going to the fixtures when all I need
is the BLACK power going up there. *So, thought I'd ask.

Ignoring GND wiring that's all done correctly. There is a cable with
RED, BLACK, and WHITE, call it CABLE A. Another cable, call it CABLE B
has RED, BLACK, and WHITE. As expected the WHITE is simply bypassing
everything with a wire nut. BLACK A goes to IN at the top of the
switch. BLACK B goes to OUT at the top of the switch. RED A goes to IN
close to bottom of switch and RED B goes to OUT close to bottom of
switch.

What is the best way to rewire the switch to get the inverse from what
it is now and the 'proper' position?

Before you do anything, take pictures of how it is now.

If what you have is 3 way or 4 way switches, sometimes the switch will
be up when the light is off. *I think that is what you are asking..
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Agreed. *you can start by having the light off when all the switches
are down, but as soon as one switch is up *to light the light, another
switch will have to go up to turn the light off. *Now you will have
two switches down and two switches up, and the light will be off. *Now
you will have to turn one up switch down or one down switch up to turn
the light back on. *So can't dp what you seem to want to do - sorrry.- Hide quoted text -

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+1

Let's start with the simplest multiple switch system,
ie 3 way. *That uses two switches. *But the state of the
light and the position of the switches is not fixed. *On
can be either up or down, depending on the position of
the other switch.

If you want them all to work the same way, there is
a solution. *Look at Lutron Maestro series. * Essentially
they are electronic dimmers. *You have one master
one and up to 10 companion ones. * They connect
very easily using the existing wire. *They are really
cool dimmers. *You can set the level you want and
when you push the switch they softly come up to
that level or softly go out. * If you're leaving and want
the lights to go off in 15 secs or 2 mins, you just
push the switch like you're turning it off, but hold it.
A series of leds starts increasing, showing how
long until it turns off. *When you get the amount of
time you want, you release the switch. *There are also
versions with motion sensors too.

Downside is that they aren't cheap...... *To do
4 you're probably looking at $125+

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They have several different models that will work various LIGHTS,
including transformer driven ones. Being dimmers, they are targetted
to dimmable lights.

But I see in another post that you want to see the
switch position to tell if it's on or off. These use
a push paddle type of system, so there is no toggle
switch to look at. It might have an LED indicator
though that shows when it's on. Not sure about
that. Probably does though, because if you
have 6 of these Lutron dimmers it would be good to
know at each one that somebody has turned the
light on. When I'm back at the house I will check for
you.