On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:07:18 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 09:57:33 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

Gunner has a selective view of right and left. He thinks he has a
correct historical view but his "history" is like a game of hop-scotch
or a smorgasbord -- some boiled shrimp here, and one of those little
sausages from there; I'll have another slice of that ham and you can
just put the cherry pie on top....

It's that confused mix of paleo-conservative and libertarian that's
very common among the more severe "conservatives" in the US today, who
adhere to a list of "principles" that have no consistency at all. He's
for states' rights except when he's not. He thinks of himself as a
strict constitutional consructionist, but he has a very liberal view
of the 14th Amendment, especially when it comes to guns. He favors the
Chicago v. McDonald Supreme Court decision, for example; states'
rights be damned. Federal supremacy in general is a mixed bag. His
understanding of the Barron v. Baltimore decision (a strong states'
rights decision) is exactly backwards.

Like many of these quasi- libertarian/paleos, he thinks that the
purpose of the Constitutional Convention was to reduce the scope and
power of the federal government -- again, exactly the opposite of the
historical fact.


I don't know that Gunner is wholly to blame for his rather slanted
view on politics. I have the very distinct memory that I was taught in
grade school such "truths" as: The Americans won the battle of Bunker
Hill and "The Boston Tea Party was a move to destroy expensive tax
paid English tea and that the civil War was fought to free the slaves.

Or "Remember Pearl Harbor", when the sneaky Japs bombed us without a
declaration of war, a dirty,and underhanded act.

Subsequently of course the U.S. sent troops to foreign lands and
started killing people without declaring war in Iraq, Afghanistan,
Vietnam, Grenada, Lebanon, Somalia, Haiti, Panama, Serbia, or Bosnia,
I have no idea of what is taught in U.S. schools today but when I was
a lad they certainly taught a very jingoistic view of history.

Perhaps Gunner read the same history books :-)

Gunner claims an adult lifetime of studying history.

Its a bit late to be catching up with
military history. Ive been a student of it for well over 30 yrs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....f456d678fa05d2

Gunner, who IS a student of military history and war.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...650e55e6e593cf

Gunner, student of history
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.m...12daff1e449364

Though I AM a student of history
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...be46090d3146f7

Im also a student of not only military history, but
geopolitical history.....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...34eff2cfdde518

Yet here's an example of what all his "studying" led to.

Hitler was a Socialist/Fascist just like US liberals.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...facb0e8c4998f4

That is miles beyond willful ignorance, and no fault of the public
school system.