On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:42:22 -0700, "Stumpy"
wrote:


You're using the "classic" definitions which are not so accurate in
American
politics. A libertarian is extremely liberal, but in America may be
considered a conservative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic...ge_of_the_term


Well, I figured that you need to start with the basics and once one
gains an understanding of that one could go on to more exotic
descriptions.

--
Cheers,

John B.

I went looking for a curved, 3d Nolan chart that had the extreme right and
left meeting back together, couldn't find one.

Classic Vs Modern:
http://www.goodandbadnews.com/images...#Nolan%20Chart
And that chart is badly flawed as well...they have Greens and
Progressives in the Personal Liberty catagory...and they are HARDLY
believers in personal liberty.


Diagram is reversed:
http://state.zxq.net/state_and_communism.htm
I didn't read any of the text, just looked at figures.

Rather good text

"mportant thing about communism is that it has clearly demonstrated
one alarming and imperative trait related to society and property
relations – an overall possibility of regress in social and economic
evolution – not merely a disintegration and collapse of particular
societies, but a long-term regress of the system of property
relations.

Furthermore, such regress can be brought in forcibly as a result of
planned activities and goal-oriented actions. Russian revolution of
1917 was largely an outcome of the deeds undertaken by a very small
group of people, who ingeniously adapted themselves and their
interests to political realities and societal circumstances. Obviously
there were a lot of other objective and subjective reasons and
preconditions for Russian revolution, but it certainly did not
represent an evolutionary process, i.e. substitution of less efficient
property relations with the more efficient ones.

Even in Marxist’s understanding of social evolution it cannot be
considered as an evolutionary step. There have been certain other
(though except for nazism in Germany not so illustrative) cases of
regress in the system of property and social relations and quite a
majority of them happened in twentieth century, which suppose to be
the century of a triumph of democracy. Furthermore, very often those
cases of societal regress were emerging exactly from within the
representative democracy (including nazi Germany). In their majority
those cases were the products of planned human actions based on some
kind of emotional motivation and on superficial theoretical ideology.

In their majority they were connected with the State oriented
ideologies including socialism, Marxism, Nazism, etc."

Very well stated. So much for that personal freedom thingy the
Lefties keep bragging about (which is an utter lie...as the Kulacks
found out)


Hobos Vs. Bums:
http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2010/10/11...rty-acid-test/



Not bad...not bad at all. The only issue I can see is the
militia/survivalist. They are not a political view point ..but simply
a response.

Gunner

--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
Raid® to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."