On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:02:51 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Gunner Asch fired this volley in
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Might want to check these out.....

Gunner, I'll scan those as time permits, but let me ask you a question,
prefaced with a statement of my conditions.

I have been involved directly with ATF's field agents and inspectors many
times per year since 1995; before that, only sporadically, but in the
same roles; me the 'user' and they the 'enforcers'.

I've only _ever_ had ONE bad experience with any of them across five
states, six or seven different posts with different inspectors and
agents, and about twenty different people. And when ATF got my end of
the story, they punished HIM, not me. When their safety director behaved
that way toward others (not me), they punished her, not the industry.

So -- wouldn't my own personal experiences with them trump some 'web
publishing' of stuff like that; stuff that likely cannot be verified;
Stuff that could be trumped up because they have a personal 'bone to
pick' with ATF; Or stuff that comes out of conspiracy theories?

I hear those sorts of unverifiable rumors all the time, but I've had
great experiences working with them, and intend to continue in that same
mode. I have a dozens of friends and business associates in the military
explosives and fireworks businesses. Almost all of them would tell you
the same thing I just did.

If ATF really is that bad, then all I can say is that they treat us very
well.

Lloyd

Keep in mind..that your line of business isnt "Guns"

Fortunately.

Now..the People and the NRA largely gutted the BATF 12 or so yrs
ago...but..some of those people are still on board.

I have dead friends from the actions of the BATF..back in the 1990s


http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/howell.html

Then of course we have Waco, Ruby Ridge and many many thousands of
similar actions

The ATF should have been gutted 2 decades ago. And the management,
lined up and executed with aforethought.

Slowly.

Over many hours.

Gunner, not a fan of the ATF