On Apr 10, 10:30*am, TimR wrote:
On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:12:55 AM UTC-4, wrote:
You asked for the specific chemical reactions, here is

one source from a PHD:

http://chemistry.about.com/od/toxicc...leach-And-Ammo...

Yup, I read that site. *Shockingly poor information.



Chemicals Involved

Note that each and every one of these chemicals is toxic, except for

Yup. *Toxic. *But found in very low concentrations. *Why even mention it, if you're not going to include any real information?

Found in low concentrations where? YOU stated that it's an urban
legend
that mixinng ammonia and bleach is dangerous. If you mix ammonia
and bleach you can create gas in high enough concentrations that it
can
seriously injure you or kill you. As for not including any real
information,
that would be you. Just google and you'll find credible sources from
NEJM to govt agencies all saying it's dangerous to mix ammonia and
bleach. I provided you with two such links. Where is YOUR source
that says it's an urban legend that mixing ammonia and bleach can
produce dangerous gasses?






Likely Chemical Reactions from Mixing Bleach and Ammonia

Likely? *What kind of language is that, from a supposed chemist? *Do the math. *Write the equation, show the change in Gibbs energy, you can predict exactly what reaction will occur. *Not which ones are likely.

So typical. He asks for the equations and now he just
ignores it. Show us the sources that agree with you.




*The bleach decomposes to form hydrochloric acid,

Yes. *The necessary first step, without which all the following steps fail. *What causes that? *Under what conditions will it occur? *Nothing but silence from this supposed PhD chemist. *Because she really doesn't know, she's just passing on urban legend and adding some plausible pseudoscience to it. *What does "decompose" mean, anyway? *Is that a chemical term? *We learned dissociate in about 6th grade. *No real chemist would say decompose. *A mortician or a musician, maybe.

Hint: *the equilibrium will shift to HCl at low pH, usually below 5. *Ammonia is about 11.

No point in continuing. *Even a casual reading of that web article shows the kind of sloppy writing and sloppy thinking not used in real science.

Not that I'm a real scientist.

That you're an idiot was apparent rom the moment you tried to
use the fact that because something is added to drinking water in the
PPM range, that means it's a safe substance when inhaled at
concentrations
5 orders or magnitude greater, from a bucket in front of you.






Toilet bowl cleaners are acid, in the pH range of 2 to 3. *That's the real cause of most of the reported accidents. *If ammonia was even present it was usually a coincidence. *But this supposed chemist didn't know about bowl cleaners.

Sure, so the NEJM case report where mixing ammonia and bleach for
cleaning nearly killed a woman, required her to be hospitalized on
respiratory
support, etc, is just a lie. So are all the other similar reports
that are
available online from news sources, etc.

You really are an imbecile and a dangerous one at that.