On 12/5/2012 12:57 PM, Existential Angst wrote:



So have you heard of the the iPad, it is much newer than the SawStop.

Whatever you do, don't quit your day job -- heh, which proly doesn't
pay
much, otherwise you proly wouldn't be such a snippy li'l prick.


You are dragging up assumptions that were made 10 years ago when the
technology was relative new. The SawStop has been in production for
close
to a decade and your concerns have been addressed and proven to be a
non-problem.
Because this technology and brand is relative new to you does not mean
it
is new.

And I am not being a snippy prick, you are simply uninformed.

True, it has taken a while to get the bigger picture on all this, but god
forbid any of you genii explain **** coherently.

I never said it doesn't work, altho it appears it works better than I
thought it would, but perhaps not as good as YOU think it does. This saw
is
a potential headache that a lot of shops just doh't need.

The REAL issue, as I am finding out, is this Stephen Gass is one ****ing
slickster, finagling the *legislation* of his gadget, muddied statistics,
etc, rather than letting the market choose. Or as one observer put it,
letting the insurance industry choose.

Gass doesn't give a flying **** about anyone's safety. He's riding this
bull 'til the bull drops from exhaustion, so he can collect his payday,
which someone else here pointed out in an almost Solomon-esque way -- I
think it was dpb. **** Gass, **** his patents.

There are a cupla other things.
First, instead of idiot-proofing ****, why not educate the idiots?
Hell will freeze over before I lose a digit on my RAS, a FAR more
dangerous
tool than a table saw.
HWFO first, bec I know how to use push/pull sticks, etc. Part of the
near
miss in the original video in the original post in this thread was that
as
nice as those push blocks are, they are too short. Make a variety, to
suit
the job, teach people how to use them. And yeah, thick gloves can be a
part
of that arsenal -- I use them all the time on the RAS, more for kickbacks
of
sharp-ish alum.

Toward the end of education, the original vid in the OP is stellar along
those lines. More of THAT kind of education could be just as effective
as a
sawstop, I'm betting -- ESP with a bypassed sawstop....

Next, the medical costs being used to bamboozle the gummint into
mandating
this bull**** are grossly inflated.
Suppose there are 3,000 amputations, which I doubt.
Suppose the surgeon's fee (for a successful reattachment of all 3,000,
which
is waaaay beyond realistic) is $10K...
That's $30 million, not the BILLIONS bandied about by entreepreeneerial
slicksters, and economic ignorami like Trader4.

And this would be $30 mil, TOPS..... proly closer to $10 mil, given that
few of these will require the full medical sophistication of a full
re-attachment.

MOST of a hospital's costs are FIXED (and I'm calling full-time workers
(nurses, techs, assistants, support staff, etc, cuz, well, during a year
these costs ARE fixed), and wouldn't change if NO ONE showed up to an ER
room AT ALL.
Yeah, a cupla extra dollars in reagents'n'****....

Iow, to simplify this for Trader4, the only REAL variable expense here is
the surgeon, who, pardon the very excellent pun/metaphor, works by
piecework..... Why, thank you, thank you, yes, it was good, I
agree.....

Sorta like the ole tele companies, dunning people thousands of dollars
for
questionable long-distance calls -- the phone company didn't incur any
EXTRA
expense as a result of those calls, which made the dunning more of an
extortion -- esp. when the calls were of questionable origin.

So the economic stats of medical costs bandied about are largely
bull****,
because most of those costs are there ANYWAY -- a concept way over
Trader4's
head, but he's going to dispute it anyway....

So I'm not saying this **** doesn't work, or that it's not even a good
idea -- more for schools, imo, and in some production facilities,
perhaps,
where the monotony of the job (and the frequency of the cuts) really
could
use a statistical hedge, safety-wise -- but like others have said, the
fact
that Gass is furiously trying to shove his gadget down our collective
throats is an effing outrage.

CA, from one cite, is apparently close to making this bull****
mandatory....
not sure about the details, but the issue there HAS oh-ficially arisen.
Someone suggested CA simply seceding from the Union, so the rest of us
can
live in ****ing regulatory peace.....



None of what he had done to promote his product is against the law and he
has every right to build his business. This is really no different than
having to buy auto insurance or new harsh having air bags and or seat
belts.

So, by omission, you agree with the points made above??

I actually did not read all of that above on enough to see that you have
it in for Gass and cant get past that point.

Life is full of compromises and unfair situations. As you grow older
you either learn to adapt or not. I choose to get over it and move on.




But to your last points, they are, unfort'ly, valid. Lobbying, which is
legalized bribery, is legal.
Dudn't make it right.
And yeah, this insurance bull**** is the OTHER great conjob.
Which is why Karen Ignagni, from Big Insurance, had to teach Obamer with her
strap-on.