On 12/2/2012 9:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Swingman wrote:
On 12/2/2012 6:06 PM, Bill wrote:

I started a new thread for this project.

I have been thinking more about a face frame and cabinet
doors for my project.

I am gaining the impression that a good quality face frame is typically
make out of pieces of genuine solid wood even when the rest of the
cabinet carcase may be made from man-made materials. Is this the way
that you would proceed?

More often than not, absolutely correct. There are many valid methods to
skin that cat, and we all have our favorites.

Still have that Sketchup?

Here's one way to make a solid wood face frame (I use pocket hole
joinery for the rails and stiles in all cases), and how the face frame
and casework go together:

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...&prevs tart=0



Here's a face frame only model that can be re-sized:

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...&prevs tart=0



Mucho-Thanks!

If I understand the diagram, you have grooves along the backs of each of
the rails and stiles of the face frame. That is a marvelous way to
increase the gluing surface, if it fits! Note to self: Make sure the
grooves fit over all 4 of the outer faces of the carcase.

I assume that you use dominos where the rail and stiles meet (besides
pocket holes)? Without tenons, I can see that one could trim the
lengths for a perfect fit prior to assembly.

No dominoes or tenons on the face frames as a rule. Not necessary when
using pocket joinery to make face frames.

Since the face frame will be attached to the casework, pocket hole
joinery supplies more than enough joint strength necessary for the face
frame.

IOW, both components, face frame and casework, end up with more strength
and rigidity than they possess individually.

You've given me lots of good ideas to borrow from!

Remember what we previously preached about "square" being the holy grail
of cabinet making?

Want to understand how cabinets in factories and large scale cabinet
shops are made consistently square, where BOTH efficiency and square are
of paramount importance?

FACT: It's much, much easier to build a perfectly square "face frame",
with fewer parts, than it is to build/assemble perfectly square,
multiple part casework, and then attempt to add the face frame to the
casework.

So, use the same methods that the big boy cabinet shops and method
engineers in the factories use to insure their products garner the
multitude of benefits and value from building square products:

Build your face frames first, complete with grooves and dadoes ...
taking care to build it perfectly square (batch cutting FF parts,
dadoes, etc).

Only then do you assemble the casework parts (end panels, floors and
partitions) ... directly _on top of_ that perfectly square face frame
.... and the grooves/rabbets/dadoes make it virtually impossible to go wrong.

Results: a perfectly square cabinet, with all the many benefits therefrom.

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