On Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:07 +0200, wrote:
Here is the first part of the follow-up about the Charlie Self issue.

Why?

First and foremost, I want to offer a sincere apology if I offended
anyone with my last post.

I doubt it.

The intention was neither to flame, nor to to
be flamed in return.

I doubt it.

(snip of lots more of the same)

One more thing...I am planning on drafting an RFD ("Request for
discussion", for those of you who are not familiar with the news.*
hierarchy) to amend the rec.woodworking charter to ban such explicit
language in this newsgroup. This will kill multiple birds with a single
stone.

Why not make your own moderated group for you and your friends,
then? You can hold your mutual admiration society meetings there.

First, it will keep filth-mouths like Charlie from polluting the group
with his language.

Charlie contributes here, has been for years. You, on the other hand,
may or may not be just wandering in here to make noise & hassle.
Compare and contrast those.

If the CFV (call for votes) passes news.groups, then
anyone who swears in this group will be in violation of the NG charter,
and that can be actionable by ISPs.

The scene: abuse desk at an ISP. Mail beeps.
"Hi, your customer said a naughty word on Usenet. You must cancel
their account, because our newsgroup's charter says so."
Tech: WTF is this? Some whiner about "the F word" on a newsgroup. Get
real. delete

Eventually, we can even set up a
robo-moderation to automatically "BLEEP" any of the words on the agreed
list.

Great, so set up your moderated group right away. Solves so many
problems.

Second, a fringe benefit of this will be....well, the obnoxious potty
mouth trolls (like the blasphemous homosexual who has the hots for Theo)
will be filtered too. Expect a [META] post on this issue soon...it will
be cross-posted to news.groups and the wreck.

That's nice.

I'm just trying exercise some leadership and clean this place up, once
and for all, for the benefit of everyone here.

Uh huh. Leadership consists of more than going and telling mom. If
you want to form a moderated ww group, go for it. Oddly enough, though,
the moderators make or break a moderated group. So often, it turns out
that the people who mis-run a moderated group, are the ones who were,
ahem, causing the problems in the unmoderated group in the first place.

Not only do we need to
keep the insignificant pawns (trolls) from flooding us with their filth,
we need to clean up the slime at the top of the food chain too.

Right, so you keep trying to equate our recent troll infestation with
Charlie's contributions here. One of these things is not like the other,
can you spot the distinction? Try hard.

If you want to improve your credibility, you could post what identity
your previous posts here were made under, so the relative merits of
your contributions, and Charlies, could be compared. Without that,
you're just some guy claiming to be some guy coming in to save us
from something we don't need saving from.