On Nov 24, 4:56*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:25:48 -0500, Dan Espen
wrote:



Yep, in this news group, all regulations are phony because the posters
are so smart.

Yeah, *pretty much. *Used to be able to burn leaves. *Not now. *Have
to pay for front end loaders and dump trucks to haul them away.
R-12. *Catalytic converters. CFL's. *No smoking in hospitals.
On and on and on.
This is the best part of the posted article.

"There’s still another concern — and another possible cost — if a home
has a standard 40- or 50-gallon gas water heater. Those heaters are
generally vented through the chimney along with the older furnaces.
But after removing the old furnace venting pipe, there is not enough
heat generated in the chimney by the water heater venting pipe alone
to prevent condensation from occurring. And that condensation will
include sulfuric acid, which can eat away at a chimney’s mortar
joints. Re-venting the water heater could increase the total cost of
the new furnace project by $3,000 to $4,000, Baum said."

So in that world gas furnaces run winter and summer to provide draft
for the water heater. *Strange world.
But does add "$3,000 to $4,000" to get the Chicken Littles flapping
and clucking.

Not a strange world. The issue is that an orphaned
water heater typically winds up on a chimney that is
now way too small, because it was sized for both the
water heater and a gas furnace. Drafting is NOT the
issue. Condensation is. In the winter in a chimney that
is not entirely contained within the heated part of the
house, condensation occurs because the gases now
cool off too much. With a furnace also running, the
chimney was kept warm enough so that this would
not happen. And that condensation, over time, will
destroy the mortar in a chimney.

And the other issue is that this is a classic example
of govt "fixing" a problem that does not exist. It's
an obvious lie that this new rule is going to result in
a 20% savings in total energy usage. All it does is
force all people to do what probably 90%+ were
already doing. And that is that when they decide
to replace their gas furnace, it will be with one that
is 90%+ efficient.

It never even sunk into their pea brains that to some
extent, it could have precisely the opposite effect.
Let's say someone has a 35 year old gas furnace.
When it was new, it might have had a 70% efficiency.
Now being old, it may be down to 50%. They looked
at the alternatives and because of the way their house
is contructed, putting in a direct vent one would cost
too much. They would however put in an 80% one.
But now, instead, they will choose to do nothing.

What's next? For the libs to
mandate that we all breathe a certain number of
times an hour too? Or more likely, continue to
expand and control what we can eat, because
only you libs are smart enough to know what's
best for all of us and we must live by your rules?
Leave me free to choose.