On 7/25/2012 8:06 AM, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:14:53 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
I am not saying that the grad should not have the advantage of getting
in the door, only that he should not initially get paid more than the
same guy being hired that has 20 years experience.

Unfortunately, the big thing these days are credentials, not
experience, at least in most cases. Not saying it's right, just that's
way it is.

And I understand that but as you suggested and in my way of thinking
that is not right.

My son did not have to have a masters degree however he was expected to
have his CPA license withing 3~4 years of being hired or hit the road.
This license is required to do public accounting and working for a
public accounting firm sorta limits your progress with out that license.
I suggested he not work for the first time since HS during the summer
between getting his masters and starting full time with the company he
is with now. Get those CPA exams behind you. Some of his work weeks
during "busy season" are in excess of 80 hours, not much time left for
studying. ;~) Fortunately after busy season and during the summer his
hours fall back to around 35 hours per week on occasion.



When I was 18, I could go out and get a new full time job almost every
week. Those times are gone.

Exactly and the kids graduating from college are having difficult times
finding jobs. The degrees are not trumping proven work experience. I
mentioned this before but the local office my son works for recruits
mainly from 3 colleges. His college has the least appeal of the 3 on a
resume, generally speaking. For this particular job they were looking
equally as hard at work history. The vast majority of students at his
college had jobs. That cannot be said of the other 2 colleges. It was
said that the UofH students already had the basics down for simply doing
what is expected on a job, this had to be taught to the other new hires.
This is not to say that the other colleges do not do a stellar job at
education but the students of those colleges are more privileged "these
days" and do not necessarily have to work while in school and don't have
the essential work skills.
My son absolutely did not have to work as much as he did, I covered his
car insurance, education expenses not covered by the scholarships, and
books as long as he kept his grades high enough to keep his scholarships
in tact.


Hiring managers are being given specs to fill. Whether they also
consider other factors, well that's up to them.

years this October and has already gotten a 10% and an 18% pay raise, so
how that he has proven himself he is making about 30% more now than he
was in Oct 2010.

So, when is he sending you on that month long overseas holiday?

LOL, He owes me nothing although I often introduce him as "my
retirement plan investment.