On 7/25/2012 12:18 AM, Dave wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:06:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
The graduate has proven that he could get a degree. He too can still be
the clown that walks in with a degree. And the guy that walks in and
says that he can do it has at least a 50/50 chance of being able to do
it. Almost with certainty a fresh graduate with no work history will
still have to be taught, by the employer.

Sorry, I have to agree with Mike here. (Both of them could be clowns)
The graduate at a minimum, has essentially demonstrated that he *can*
learn and *can* be taught. He's proven that he has learned the basics
~ at least one would hope so if he was hired into a profession that
the got a degree for.

We're talking about all things being equal. And at that comparison,
the school accredited person should win out every time.




To be honest if the person doing the hiring has any experience at all he
can look at the prospect, resume and or application and tell with
pretty good certainty if the applicant is a clown or not.


I am not saying that the grad should not have the advantage of getting
in the door, only that he should not initially get paid more than the
same guy being hired that has 20 years experience.

I am of the school that until you prove yourself to me you don't deserve
more up front fresh out of school with a degree and no work experience.
And during hard economic times I believe this is proving to be true.

My son earns a decent living, good enough that his first house purchase
in November of 2010 will hopefully be paid for next year. Single.

6 weeks after his twenty third birthday he went to work for a big 4
accounting firm, one that offered him the job about 18 months prior. He
started with a group of new employees getting the same pay. The fact
that he got his bachelors degree and graduated summa cum laude, one year
later got his masters degree, and then passed all 4 of his CPA exams
prior to turning 23 did not give him a pay advantage. And with that
fact I told him up front that a degree guarantees nothing, to him or his
employer. It only gets your foot in the door. What you do after you
get in will dictate what salary you will earn. He had no problems
starting at the same salary as the other new hires. He has been there 2
years this October and has already gotten a 10% and an 18% pay raise, so
how that he has proven himself he is making about 30% more now than he
was in Oct 2010.