On 7/24/2012 8:51 AM, Leon wrote:
On 7/23/2012 6:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:59:18 -0400, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com
wrote:



This, along with other misguided educational policies in the US are
resulting in a dumbing down of high school and college degrees to an
eventual point at which a college diploma will be the equivalent of a
1960's high school diploma. At that point, in order for graduates to
compete for good jobs, they will need a masters degree. The masters
degree will be the new college diploma and since everyone is getting
college paid for by someone else, meaning there is no personal
sacrifice
or penalty for failure, the bachelors degree will be looked at with no
more esteem than a high school diploma is now.

That's here NOW! There are certain cultures that don't care for the
bachelors,the 2 you mentioned. They believe that the masters is
important, the baccalaureate is just a step to the masters.
The problem is that the masters doesn't make you smarter. I have seen
quite a few masters who can't put things together. To me programming,
system architecture, etc.. are like furniture or building a building, or
car repair. You need to build the foundation and work from there.
You don't put the top on the building and then build up to it from the
ground...

Yet I see a lot of that from masters.. It's just another piece of paper.
It's the person.. not the degree. I have seen people without degrees
build better than people with. I have seen people with degrees do well.
I have watched many PHds flounder. Absolutely no clue...




Meanwhile, in China and India, 14 year-olds are learning calculus and
organic chemistry.


The most valuable degree you can get is the one from "Hard Knocks
College" - and yet it has become almost obsolete in the job market.


Exactly!

My son works for one of the Big 4 accounting firms. The local office
recruits directly from UofH, Texas A&M, and UT. The latter are the
much more prestigious of the 3. He went to UofH. Today the recruiters
look more favorable at the recruits from the UofH because 95% of them
work and go to school. They have more street smarts so to speak, they
have the advantage of knowing what is expected in the real world.

Not much has changed, depending upon the department, at UofH. Dad got
his BS, and Masters in Geophysics there, working his way through; and my
oldest sister likewise. My youngest went to summer school there in the
last few years and found it much tougher than the small liberal arts
university she attended full time in AR.

Parents in those days, at least around here, were not predisposed to pay
for college at all. If you went, you mostly worked while attending.

I went to A&M because it was a state supported agricultural/engineering
college and therefore inexpensive ... my first year, room and board,
tuition, books, and laundry left me with $40 change to last the year
after taking the $1000 I saved up from working in jr high, high school,
and the summer before. As an Aggie Fish in the Corps, which was
mandatory the first two years, it was pretty damned tough to spend the
forty bucks in any event.

Just try that today ...

(Mom took pity and sent me a check for $5 in April of the second
semester, bless her little pea picking heart)

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