On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:24:12 -0800, Peter Franks
wrote:

On 2/26/2012 7:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:37:02 -0800, Peter wrote:

On 2/25/2012 10:57 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:25:19 -0800, Peter wrote:

On 2/21/2012 11:45 AM, Bible Studies with Satan wrote:
Peter Franks wrote:

On 2/19/2012 5:21 PM, O. Phillips wrote:
http://gothamist.com/2011/08/08/vide..._not_showi.php

After reading a NY Times story on Kiryas Joel, the Orange County town
that's home base for the Ultra-Orthodox Satmar Hasidic Jews, a few non-
Orthodox friends from Manhattan decided to pay the town a visit. Earlier
this month they took a train to the nearest station and hiked five miles
to the town, where they started snapping photos of some of the sights and
attractions—like the air-conditioned bus stop! But it seems the locals
don't take to kindly to Goy outsiders, and soon enough a private security
force pulled up demanding identification. On Reddit, John Zwinck, a
software engineer who lives in midtown Manhattan, describes how the
situation quickly escalated:

After a few minutes, a black Suburban rolls up in front of us. Two guys
get out. One of them never speaks, but has a shirt that says Public
Safety. The other is wearing traditional orthodox clothes: black pants,
white shirt, black vest, and a yarmulke. We later learn his name is Moses.

He immediately demands identification from all of us. I ask him why, and
he says that he got a call for suspicious activity. I tell him we are just
visiting on foot, and that we haven't taken any pictures of people. I tell
my friends that I don't think they have to provide ID unless they want to.
Moses says if we don't provide ID he will arrest us. I see this as
ridiculous, and start walking again.

A few moments later, someone grabs me from behind. I turn around, and
Moses is holding my arm. I yell "assault, assault" just in case it's not
clear to the few bystanders that it's not consensual. Moses eventually
lets me go, and again I continue on my way, and my friends come along.


But when they arrived at a local cafe to get some lunch, a State Trooper
stopped them. Here's video of the incident, which ended with two hikers
getting arrested for refusing to show their identification:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KpZHR_s0QLw

As you can see by the video, the officer tells them their being arrested
for obstructing government administration, and explains that the "public
safety director," Moses Witriol, had the right to forcibly detain Zwinck
when he refused to show I.D. In the end, no charges were filed, but Zwinck
did some digging and found that a federal lawsuit has been filed against
Kiryas Joel, and specifically names Moses Witriol. The lawsuit [pdf]

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/fil...f-kiryas-joel-
fedral-lawsuit-filed-6-13-11.pdf

claims that "the affairs of its government are inherently infused by, and
entangled, with religion such that its very existence as a municipality
violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United
States Constitution."

A group of idiot 'hikers' wanting to make trouble and did.

THose hikers knew the law and are going to win their lawsuit.

Probably. But they are still idiots and they wanted trouble and made it.

And this is wrong exactly how?

Where did I say it was "wrong", whatever that means.

I said they were idiots, wanted trouble, and made it. If it isn't
clear, let me know and I'll simplify.

So if a Jew in say..the Warsaw Ghetto caused trouble...it would have
been a very bad thing, right?

I guess I missed the part where these Hasidic Jews are on a blitzkrieg
into Soho and gassing eurotrash rejects. Could you point it out to me?

These retards went looking for trouble and made it. They aren't being
repressed, they aren't being gassed, and they aren't being rounded up in
concentration camps. You parallel argument ability sucks as bad as your
assumptive ability.

Right. If you want trouble around here, go hassle some Hasidim. And
hassling them means, first of all, doing something that offends their
community/cultural precepts and (odd?) moral values.

I'm not going to take sides in this conflict, because there are lots
of reasons I object to the way Kiryas Joel operates, but walking in
there with your ass up in the air is going to get you nothing good.
I've never been to Kiryas Joel but I've been to the larger Hasidic
commnity in Brooklyn. It feels like a foreign country.

Those guys were punks. If they want to tell the Hasidim that they
don't like their town, they should send them a letter or write an
op-ed.

--
Ed Huntress