On 1/16/2012 1:50 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
On 1/15/2012 7:38 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 1/15/2012 3:40 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
On 1/15/2012 6:08 AM, wrote:
On Jan 15, 12:33 am, wrote:

Let's look at your statement "most of my friends have demonstrated
that
they are in the top 2%". Really? How many friends are we talking
about?

Close friends, less than a dozen, either Mensans or would easily qualify
if they bothered. A more extended group, maybe another 30, probably only
2/3 operate at that level.

Yeah, sure, I'll believe that claim when I see the proof and not until.

So what would you accept as proof, assuming I would bother?

All your dozen close friends are Mensa level intellects. What a crock.
If what you say is true you would be operating in truly elevated levels
with the highest intellect people you would find. But then we find you
here on a metalworking forum. Something doesn't fit the profile. A
genius like you hanging out with the rabble? Why?

Not much rabble here other than you.

I became a machinist because the other, more intellectual jobs I had had
engaged my mind but not my hands and I have a strong mechanical
aptitude. I told several bosses that I became a machinist so I wouldn't
have to work for a living. They paid me to play.


One, two, fifty? So how many is most of your friends and how have they
demonstrated they are in the top 2%? Did you check them to see they
are
in the near genius level? Being a bit less that truthful here aren't
you?

You seem to the only one who missed the significance of the 2% figure I
used. Why does that not surprise me?

It shouldn't because nobody else knows what you are blathering about
either. Nobody cares about what percent you threw out there. It's not
true so what difference is there if the number was 1% or 3%.

So the other comments about Mensa flew right by you? Even for you, a
new level of cluelessness.

When you are bull****ting people the numbers don't really matter.

Once again you show us where your expertise lies.

I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%.

As I expected, you know nothing about intelligence testing or IQ. There
is no such thing as a "genius IQ" outside the popular media, which is
also responsible for nonsense characterizations like non matching socks
and pocket protectors.

You probably didn't notice it because your superior intellect was
focused on some other deep matter, but the intellectual level we have
here in this group is certainly no higher than what you find in the
popular media.

Actually, most popular media is written for a 6th grade reading ability
so that people like you can understand it.

So to use language that is congruent with common
understanding and usage is perfectly appropriate. Only if you have a
giant head and are trying to foist some fake portrait of yourself as
being as brainy as a genius would that kind of language upset you some.

Ironically, (in the sense that you inadvertently got something right) I
do have a large head, some 7-3/4 sizes fit, most don't. I can't mail
order motorcycle helmets because their idea of XXL or XXXL is imprecise.


131 is where it starts, some of the people I had dinner with last night
are as far beyond me as I am beyond you. Very exciting to talk with.

Beyond? You aren't even equal to. It's obvious to all that as Clint
Eastwood used to say, you are a legend in your own mind. You are also
afflicted by the Dunning-Kreuger effect, meaning you overestimate your
abilities and underestimate everyone else's. You're a particularly
serious example of thinking you are a lot better than you are.

Not really, just aware that I am a lot smarter than you.


Unlike you, who are the sort of person I joined Mensa to avoid.

Going to prove that? If you and Gunner are examples of Mensa members
that's a club I sure would want no part of.

I'm sure that will never be an issue.

So what else do you and Gummer have in common besides being liars.

Well, for all his faults, he also is smarter than you are.


But I bet
you can't say that about your normal friends and family. I know I can't.

Again, I'm not surprised that your friends and family don't qualify for
Mensa.

Surprising you is not all that tough to do. You aren't nearly as brainy
as you pretend you are.

No need to pretend, I know what my SAT scores were in '67.

So I'm saying that I don't believe this guy's friends are all in the 2%
intellect category. He's making that up so he can try to make me seem
dumb.

You do that to yourself, I'm just pointing out.

I can point out some things too. You are dishonest and you aren't all
that bright. You lack character. But I'm just pointing it out.

The difference is that you have no evidence, I can just point to what
you post.


The point is he has to make up a lie to do it.

No lie, but I don't have to prove anything to you.

I never said I'm that smart, just smarter than average. I don't know
how much but I did have IQ tests in high school and I was supposed
to be getting really good grades based on that.

Based on what you've shown here, I'd guesstimate IQ of about 115-120,
considered High Normal, a little below where you find most politicians
and successful businessmen, which usually run 120-135. OTOH, my dad was
a successful civil engineer, architect and businessman with an IQ of 146.

From what you have shown here I'd put you at about 115 as well. Not a
thing you have written shows you to be superior in any way. For example.
Take Ed Huntress' writing style. I don't think he's a member of Mensa
yet you can't hold a candle to him. He's clearly a far better writer
than you. That should not be the case if you are as bright as you say
you are. One more thing, the intellect of family members and
acquaintances has nothing to do with you.

Ed is a professional writer, there are few others here who can say that.
I confess that I do not write as well as a professional writer. Nor do you.


At the time my grades showed me to be in the bottom 2%. But back then all
I did was screw around and I don't think I ever did any homework in
four years of high school. I changed. When I got my B.A. my grades
were good enough for the grad school to accept me. So things do change.

Hawwke-ptooey

Was it a conscious decision to stop learning after you got your BA? Did
you realize you now knew everything you would ever need to?

What's funny is to hear your ignorance so prominently displayed. What
you say about me is about as accurate as you saying that Mitt Romney
isn't rich. I've been an avid reader since I was 12 years old.

Why did you wait so long?

I've got at least 20 years of formal education under my belt.

And yet so little wisdom to show for it.

I am constantly
undertaking new endeavors that teach me new things every year and I have
a lifelong history of learning. Then some completely ignorant Dude comes
along who doesn't know a damn thing about me and says the exact
opposite.

I doubt that I'm the only one who has seen you for what you are. And aren't.

It's impossible for you to be any farther off the mark. You
have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, which tells me all I
need to know about you. You're a buffoon.

I have never felt I knew all I needed to about anything, which is why I
can continue to learn. You have just confessed that you choose to not
learn, to not try to stretch beyond your limited capacity. I pity you.

David