On Jan 15, 4:40*pm, Hawke wrote:


I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%. But I bet
you can't say that about your normal friends and family. I know I can't.


Sorry but that example is about the only example I have where I know
the actual IQ's. I think most of my friends and family would be about
the same but I do not have hard data to support that. You do have to
remember that most of my friends from work are retired engineers.
Since moving I have made friends with a couple of retired research
engineers. And I have a few friends that I met from the Battle Point
Astronomical Association as well as some from the Seattle Metalheads
group. No slow thinkers in that bunch either.

So you may not believe that my friends and relations are almost all in
the 2% intellect category, but I think it is true.


So I'm saying that I don't believe this guy's friends are all in the 2%
intellect category.

Hawke

On 1/15/2012 3:40 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
On 1/15/2012 6:08 AM, wrote:
On Jan 15, 12:33 am, wrote:

Let's look at your statement "most of my friends have demonstrated that
they are in the top 2%". Really? How many friends are we talking about?

Close friends, less than a dozen, either Mensans or would easily qualify
if they bothered. A more extended group, maybe another 30, probably only
2/3 operate at that level.

One, two, fifty? So how many is most of your friends and how have they
demonstrated they are in the top 2%? Did you check them to see they are
in the near genius level? Being a bit less that truthful here aren't
you?

You seem to the only one who missed the significance of the 2% figure I
used. Why does that not surprise me?


Hawwke-ptooey

The top 2 % is not that remarkable. Looking at Wiki, the top 2 % just
means an IQ of 131 or better. When I was working in Alaska, one of my
friends knew he was smart and wanted a way to get it on his employment
record. At the time the company gave IQ tests , but not at remote
sites as where we were in Alaska. Anyway I contacted the right people
in the company and got permission to give IQ tests to employees. No
danger in my cheating as I had already taken the test before going to
Alaska. I can not remember all the scores, but as I remember the
lowest score was about 120 and most scores were 130 or more. Not the
results one would get if testing the general population, but this was
a group of electronic techs and engineers.


Dan



I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%.

As I expected, you know nothing about intelligence testing or IQ. There
is no such thing as a "genius IQ" outside the popular media, which is
also responsible for nonsense characterizations like non matching socks
and pocket protectors.

131 is where it starts, some of the people I had dinner with last night
are as far beyond me as I am beyond you. Very exciting to talk with.

Unlike you, who are the sort of person I joined Mensa to avoid.


But I bet
you can't say that about your normal friends and family. I know I can't.

Again, I'm not surprised that your friends and family don't qualify for
Mensa.

So I'm saying that I don't believe this guy's friends are all in the 2%
intellect category. He's making that up so he can try to make me seem
dumb.

You do that to yourself, I'm just pointing out.

The point is he has to make up a lie to do it.

No lie, but I don't have to prove anything to you.

I never said I'm that smart, just smarter than average. I don't know
how much but I did have IQ tests in high school and I was supposed
to be getting really good grades based on that.

Based on what you've shown here, I'd guesstimate IQ of about 115-120,
considered High Normal, a little below where you find most politicians
and successful businessmen, which usually run 120-135. OTOH, my dad was
a successful civil engineer, architect and businessman with an IQ of 146.

At the time my gradesshowed me to be in the bottom 2%. But back then all
I did was screwaround and I don't think I ever did any homework in
four years of high school. I changed. When I got my B.A. my grades
were good enough for the grad school to accept me. So things do change.

Hawwke-ptooey

Was it a conscious decision to stop learning after you got your BA? Did
you realize you now knew everything you would ever need to?

David

On 1/15/2012 4:03 PM, wrote:
On Jan 15, 4:40 pm, wrote:


I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%. But I bet
you can't say that about your normal friends and family. I know I can't.


Sorry but that example is about the only example I have where I know
the actual IQ's. I think most of my friends and family would be about
the same but I do not have hard data to support that. You do have to
remember that most of my friends from work are retired engineers.
Since moving I have made friends with a couple of retired research
engineers. And I have a few friends that I met from the Battle Point
Astronomical Association as well as some from the Seattle Metalheads
group. No slow thinkers in that bunch either.

So you may not believe that my friends and relations are almost all in
the 2% intellect category, but I think it is true.


You know, I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs had the same kind of situation. All
of his friends were awesomely smart. But then Steve Jobs and his friends
aren't exactly what the people in this group are like, are they? The
point being if you are a super brain and work in a field where everybody
else is too then chances are your friends will all be brains too. But
that is the exception to the rule. The rule is most people's friends are
average just like they are. I compare it to the basketball dunking rule.
When you have the ability to dunk then it doesn't seem like a big deal
and probably all your friends can too. But how about everybody else? Can
they? No!

Hawke

On 1/15/2012 7:38 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 1/15/2012 3:40 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
On 1/15/2012 6:08 AM, wrote:
On Jan 15, 12:33 am, wrote:

Let's look at your statement "most of my friends have demonstrated that
they are in the top 2%". Really? How many friends are we talking about?

Close friends, less than a dozen, either Mensans or would easily qualify
if they bothered. A more extended group, maybe another 30, probably only
2/3 operate at that level.

Yeah, sure, I'll believe that claim when I see the proof and not until.
All your dozen close friends are Mensa level intellects. What a crock.
If what you say is true you would be operating in truly elevated levels
with the highest intellect people you would find. But then we find you
here on a metalworking forum. Something doesn't fit the profile. A
genius like you hanging out with the rabble? Why?


One, two, fifty? So how many is most of your friends and how have they
demonstrated they are in the top 2%? Did you check them to see they are
in the near genius level? Being a bit less that truthful here aren't
you?

You seem to the only one who missed the significance of the 2% figure I
used. Why does that not surprise me?

It shouldn't because nobody else knows what you are blathering about
either. Nobody cares about what percent you threw out there. It's not
true so what difference is there if the number was 1% or 3%. When you
are bull****ting people the numbers don't really matter.



The top 2 % is not that remarkable. Looking at Wiki, the top 2 % just
means an IQ of 131 or better. When I was working in Alaska, one of my
friends knew he was smart and wanted a way to get it on his employment
record. At the time the company gave IQ tests , but not at remote
sites as where we were in Alaska. Anyway I contacted the right people
in the company and got permission to give IQ tests to employees. No
danger in my cheating as I had already taken the test before going to
Alaska. I can not remember all the scores, but as I remember the
lowest score was about 120 and most scores were 130 or more. Not the
results one would get if testing the general population, but this was
a group of electronic techs and engineers.


Dan



I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%.

As I expected, you know nothing about intelligence testing or IQ. There
is no such thing as a "genius IQ" outside the popular media, which is
also responsible for nonsense characterizations like non matching socks
and pocket protectors.

You probably didn't notice it because your superior intellect was
focused on some other deep matter, but the intellectual level we have
here in this group is certainly no higher than what you find in the
popular media. So to use language that is congruent with common
understanding and usage is perfectly appropriate. Only if you have a
giant head and are trying to foist some fake portrait of yourself as
being as brainy as a genius would that kind of language upset you some.



131 is where it starts, some of the people I had dinner with last night
are as far beyond me as I am beyond you. Very exciting to talk with.

Beyond? You aren't even equal to. It's obvious to all that as Clint
Eastwood used to say, you are a legend in your own mind. You are also
afflicted by the Dunning-Kreuger effect, meaning you overestimate your
abilities and underestimate everyone else's. You're a particularly
serious example of thinking you are a lot better than you are.


Unlike you, who are the sort of person I joined Mensa to avoid.

Going to prove that? If you and Gunner are examples of Mensa members
that's a club I sure would want no part of. So what else do you and
Gummer have in common besides being liars.


But I bet
you can't say that about your normal friends and family. I know I can't.

Again, I'm not surprised that your friends and family don't qualify for
Mensa.

Surprising you is not all that tough to do. You aren't nearly as brainy
as you pretend you are.

So I'm saying that I don't believe this guy's friends are all in the 2%
intellect category. He's making that up so he can try to make me seem
dumb.

You do that to yourself, I'm just pointing out.

I can point out some things too. You are dishonest and you aren't all
that bright. You lack character. But I'm just pointing it out.


The point is he has to make up a lie to do it.

No lie, but I don't have to prove anything to you.

I never said I'm that smart, just smarter than average. I don't know
how much but I did have IQ tests in high school and I was supposed
to be getting really good grades based on that.

Based on what you've shown here, I'd guesstimate IQ of about 115-120,
considered High Normal, a little below where you find most politicians
and successful businessmen, which usually run 120-135. OTOH, my dad was
a successful civil engineer, architect and businessman with an IQ of 146.

From what you have shown here I'd put you at about 115 as well. Not a
thing you have written shows you to be superior in any way. For example.
Take Ed Huntress' writing style. I don't think he's a member of Mensa
yet you can't hold a candle to him. He's clearly a far better writer
than you. That should not be the case if you are as bright as you say
you are. One more thing, the intellect of family members and
acquaintances has nothing to do with you.


At the time my gradesshowed me to be in the bottom 2%. But back then all
I did was screwaround and I don't think I ever did any homework in
four years of high school. I changed. When I got my B.A. my grades
were good enough for the grad school to accept me. So things do change.

Hawwke-ptooey

Was it a conscious decision to stop learning after you got your BA? Did
you realize you now knew everything you would ever need to?

What's funny is to hear your ignorance so prominently displayed. What
you say about me is about as accurate as you saying that Mitt Romney
isn't rich. I've been an avid reader since I was 12 years old. I've got
at least 20 years of formal education under my belt. I am constantly
undertaking new endeavors that teach me new things every year and I have
a lifelong history of learning. Then some completely ignorant Dude comes
along who doesn't know a damn thing about me and says the exact
opposite. It's impossible for you to be any farther off the mark. You
have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, which tells me all I
need to know about you. You're a buffoon.

Hawke

On Jan 16, 11:12*am, Hawke wrote:
On 1/15/2012 4:03 PM, wrote:





On Jan 15, 4:40 pm, *wrote:

I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%. But I bet
you can't say that about your normal friends and family. I know I can't.

On Jan 16, 2:12*pm, Hawke wrote:


You know, I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs had the same kind of situation. All
of his friends were awesomely smart. But then Steve Jobs and his friends
aren't exactly what the people in this group are like, are they?

I think you underestimate the intelligence of many of the people in
this group.

The
point being if you are a super brain and work in a field where everybody
else is too then chances are your friends will all be brains too. But
that is the exception to the rule. The rule is most people's friends are
average just like they are.

I agree that most peoples friends are just like they are. So if you
are average, you probably have average intelligent friends. But if
you are intelligent, then you probably have intelligent friends.


Hawke

On Jan 16, 2:50*pm, Hawke wrote:

*From what you have shown here I'd put you at about 115 as well.

Hawke

Just out of curiosity what do you think my IQ is?

Dan

On Jan 16, 8:49*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:

Well, if it's true that he wasn't -- and I have no idea what the truth
is about that point -- that means about half of everything he says is
a flat-out lie and a case of stolen valor.

If that doesn't matter to you, Chris, then what the hell DOES matter
to you?

Just curious.

--
Ed Huntress

And I am curious why it matters to you, Ed?

Dan

On 1/16/2012 1:50 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
On 1/15/2012 7:38 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 1/15/2012 3:40 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
On 1/15/2012 6:08 AM, wrote:
On Jan 15, 12:33 am, wrote:

Let's look at your statement "most of my friends have demonstrated
that
they are in the top 2%". Really? How many friends are we talking
about?

Close friends, less than a dozen, either Mensans or would easily qualify
if they bothered. A more extended group, maybe another 30, probably only
2/3 operate at that level.

Yeah, sure, I'll believe that claim when I see the proof and not until.

So what would you accept as proof, assuming I would bother?

All your dozen close friends are Mensa level intellects. What a crock.
If what you say is true you would be operating in truly elevated levels
with the highest intellect people you would find. But then we find you
here on a metalworking forum. Something doesn't fit the profile. A
genius like you hanging out with the rabble? Why?

Not much rabble here other than you.

I became a machinist because the other, more intellectual jobs I had had
engaged my mind but not my hands and I have a strong mechanical
aptitude. I told several bosses that I became a machinist so I wouldn't
have to work for a living. They paid me to play.


One, two, fifty? So how many is most of your friends and how have they
demonstrated they are in the top 2%? Did you check them to see they
are
in the near genius level? Being a bit less that truthful here aren't
you?

You seem to the only one who missed the significance of the 2% figure I
used. Why does that not surprise me?

It shouldn't because nobody else knows what you are blathering about
either. Nobody cares about what percent you threw out there. It's not
true so what difference is there if the number was 1% or 3%.

So the other comments about Mensa flew right by you? Even for you, a
new level of cluelessness.

When you are bull****ting people the numbers don't really matter.

Once again you show us where your expertise lies.

I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%.

As I expected, you know nothing about intelligence testing or IQ. There
is no such thing as a "genius IQ" outside the popular media, which is
also responsible for nonsense characterizations like non matching socks
and pocket protectors.

You probably didn't notice it because your superior intellect was
focused on some other deep matter, but the intellectual level we have
here in this group is certainly no higher than what you find in the
popular media.

Actually, most popular media is written for a 6th grade reading ability
so that people like you can understand it.

So to use language that is congruent with common
understanding and usage is perfectly appropriate. Only if you have a
giant head and are trying to foist some fake portrait of yourself as
being as brainy as a genius would that kind of language upset you some.

Ironically, (in the sense that you inadvertently got something right) I
do have a large head, some 7-3/4 sizes fit, most don't. I can't mail
order motorcycle helmets because their idea of XXL or XXXL is imprecise.


131 is where it starts, some of the people I had dinner with last night
are as far beyond me as I am beyond you. Very exciting to talk with.

Beyond? You aren't even equal to. It's obvious to all that as Clint
Eastwood used to say, you are a legend in your own mind. You are also
afflicted by the Dunning-Kreuger effect, meaning you overestimate your
abilities and underestimate everyone else's. You're a particularly
serious example of thinking you are a lot better than you are.

Not really, just aware that I am a lot smarter than you.


Unlike you, who are the sort of person I joined Mensa to avoid.

Going to prove that? If you and Gunner are examples of Mensa members
that's a club I sure would want no part of.

I'm sure that will never be an issue.

So what else do you and Gummer have in common besides being liars.

Well, for all his faults, he also is smarter than you are.


But I bet
you can't say that about your normal friends and family. I know I can't.

Again, I'm not surprised that your friends and family don't qualify for
Mensa.

Surprising you is not all that tough to do. You aren't nearly as brainy
as you pretend you are.

No need to pretend, I know what my SAT scores were in '67.

So I'm saying that I don't believe this guy's friends are all in the 2%
intellect category. He's making that up so he can try to make me seem
dumb.

You do that to yourself, I'm just pointing out.

I can point out some things too. You are dishonest and you aren't all
that bright. You lack character. But I'm just pointing it out.

The difference is that you have no evidence, I can just point to what
you post.


The point is he has to make up a lie to do it.

No lie, but I don't have to prove anything to you.

I never said I'm that smart, just smarter than average. I don't know
how much but I did have IQ tests in high school and I was supposed
to be getting really good grades based on that.

Based on what you've shown here, I'd guesstimate IQ of about 115-120,
considered High Normal, a little below where you find most politicians
and successful businessmen, which usually run 120-135. OTOH, my dad was
a successful civil engineer, architect and businessman with an IQ of 146.

From what you have shown here I'd put you at about 115 as well. Not a
thing you have written shows you to be superior in any way. For example.
Take Ed Huntress' writing style. I don't think he's a member of Mensa
yet you can't hold a candle to him. He's clearly a far better writer
than you. That should not be the case if you are as bright as you say
you are. One more thing, the intellect of family members and
acquaintances has nothing to do with you.

Ed is a professional writer, there are few others here who can say that.
I confess that I do not write as well as a professional writer. Nor do you.


At the time my grades showed me to be in the bottom 2%. But back then all
I did was screw around and I don't think I ever did any homework in
four years of high school. I changed. When I got my B.A. my grades
were good enough for the grad school to accept me. So things do change.

Hawwke-ptooey

Was it a conscious decision to stop learning after you got your BA? Did
you realize you now knew everything you would ever need to?

What's funny is to hear your ignorance so prominently displayed. What
you say about me is about as accurate as you saying that Mitt Romney
isn't rich. I've been an avid reader since I was 12 years old.

Why did you wait so long?

I've got at least 20 years of formal education under my belt.

And yet so little wisdom to show for it.

I am constantly
undertaking new endeavors that teach me new things every year and I have
a lifelong history of learning. Then some completely ignorant Dude comes
along who doesn't know a damn thing about me and says the exact
opposite.

I doubt that I'm the only one who has seen you for what you are. And aren't.

It's impossible for you to be any farther off the mark. You
have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, which tells me all I
need to know about you. You're a buffoon.

I have never felt I knew all I needed to about anything, which is why I
can continue to learn. You have just confessed that you choose to not
learn, to not try to stretch beyond your limited capacity. I pity you.

David

On 01/16/2012 05:41 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
This appears to be the thread that won't die.

That's why Thread Drift was developed.
Have your new tires mounted at Costco, and you get bitchen green valve
stem caps that let the world know you're riding on Nitrogen.

On 1/16/2012 5:41 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
This appears to be the thread that won't die. So, maybe Gunner wasn't in the
military. Does that change much? Not, to me.

Lots of threads that won't die. Lots of them involve gummer.

Don't respond to them. That will help hasten their end.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:03:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 16, 8:49*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:

Well, if it's true that he wasn't -- and I have no idea what the truth
is about that point -- that means about half of everything he says is
a flat-out lie and a case of stolen valor.

If that doesn't matter to you, Chris, then what the hell DOES matter
to you?

Just curious.

--
Ed Huntress

And I am curious why it matters to you, Ed?

Restore what you clipped, Dan, and you'll see what the subject is.

--
Ed Huntress


Dan

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:41:40 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

This appears to be the thread that won't die. So, maybe Gunner wasn't in the
military. Does that change much? Not, to me.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

It simply drives the space cadets bug nutz when I wont whip out my DD214
and wave it in their faces.

Its been giving me lots of yucks since they started this. VBG

With luck it will bring them farther into insanity as they shriek and
scream and froth all over the front of their rainbow t-shirts.


Gunner


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:03:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 16, 8:49*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:

Well, if it's true that he wasn't -- and I have no idea what the truth
is about that point -- that means about half of everything he says is
a flat-out lie and a case of stolen valor.

If that doesn't matter to you, Chris, then what the hell DOES matter
to you?

Just curious.

--
Ed Huntress

And I am curious why it matters to you, Ed?

Dan

And what stolen valor?

VBG

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Jan 17, 12:31*am, Ed Huntress wrote:

And I am curious why it matters to you, Ed?

Restore what you clipped, Dan, and you'll see what the subject is.

--
Ed Huntress

I know what the subject is. I clipped it out because I was sure you
knew what the subject was. But what I asked was why does it matter to
you. I can understand why it might matter to someone who was in the
military and actually involved with combat operations. But as I
recall you were never in the armed service. So I asked why it
mattered to you.

Dan

On 1/17/2012 12:10 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:41:40 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

This appears to be the thread that won't die. So, maybe Gunner wasn't in the
military. Does that change much? Not, to me.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

It simply drives the space cadets bug nutz when I wont whip out my DD214

The informed consensus is, you don't have one.

On 1/17/2012 12:11 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:03:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 16, 8:49 pm, Ed wrote:

Well, if it's true that he wasn't -- and I have no idea what the truth
is about that point -- that means about half of everything he says is
a flat-out lie and a case of stolen valor.

If that doesn't matter to you, Chris, then what the hell DOES matter
to you?

Just curious.

--
Ed Huntress

And I am curious why it matters to you, Ed?

Dan

And what stolen valor?

Your claim to have been awarded a Purple Heart. That's an award for
soldiers wounded in combat. There is no evidence you were ever in the
military at all, let alone in combat. Lying claiming to have served in
combat is the very essence of stolen valor, gummer.

Look, gummer: there's just no ****ing way on earth that the little
dweeb in the lower right corner -
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...pe =3&theater
- *ever* could have been in combat, let alone in the Rangers, let alone
a chortle "mercenary" in Rhodesia. It just could't happen, gummer.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:32:39 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 17, 12:31*am, Ed Huntress wrote:

And I am curious why it matters to you, Ed?

Restore what you clipped, Dan, and you'll see what the subject is.

--
Ed Huntress

I know what the subject is. I clipped it out because I was sure you
knew what the subject was. But what I asked was why does it matter to
you. I can understand why it might matter to someone who was in the
military and actually involved with combat operations. But as I
recall you were never in the armed service. So I asked why it
mattered to you.

Dan

Because the truth and integrity are imortant issues to most people.
Chris is a religious guy, and one has to wonder, if truth and
integrity aren't important to him, what is? What's the nature of that
religious morality, if those things are just a big shrug?

--
Ed Huntress

It's raining in NY, and cold. Tonight it freezes. I'm staying home, and hope
the power stays on.

I got a "new to me" used refrigerator. The last guy had used some aluminum
bands to make door shelves. Had to cut them to shape, the door didn't close
when I handed the door the other way. Now, to put a handle on the
refrigerator door.

Loratadine, generic for Claritin, works great for my allergies.

I should get some welders goggle elastic for my head lamp.

What's "thread drift" BTW?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"beryl" wrote in message
...
On 01/16/2012 05:41 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
This appears to be the thread that won't die.

That's why Thread Drift was developed.
Have your new tires mounted at Costco, and you get bitchen green valve
stem caps that let the world know you're riding on Nitrogen.

On Jan 17, 11:01*am, Ed Huntress wrote:

.. *So I asked why it
mattered to you.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dan

Because the truth and integrity are imortant issues to most people.
Chris is a religious guy, and one has to wonder, if truth and
integrity aren't important to him, what is? What's the nature of that
religious morality, if those things are just a big shrug?

--
Ed Huntress

I did not ask about why it should matter to Chris. I did not ask why
it should matter, or why it matters to most people, I asked why it
matters to you. If you do not want to answer, that is fine. The
question is just to satisfy curiosity.


Dan

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:52:35 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 17, 11:01*am, Ed Huntress wrote:

. *So I asked why it
mattered to you.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dan

Because the truth and integrity are imortant issues to most people.
Chris is a religious guy, and one has to wonder, if truth and
integrity aren't important to him, what is? What's the nature of that
religious morality, if those things are just a big shrug?

--
Ed Huntress

I did not ask about why it should matter to Chris. I did not ask why
it should matter, or why it matters to most people, I asked why it
matters to you. If you do not want to answer, that is fine. The
question is just to satisfy curiosity.

Lots of things interest me, including things concerning machnes and
things concerning people.

--
Ed Huntress




Dan

So you can get China made bolts that are some where between 1/4-19 and
1/4-21?

And, often on the same bolt.

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That's why Thread Drift was developed.

On 1/16/2012 12:17 PM, toolbreaker wrote:

You know, I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs had the same kind of situation. All
of his friends were awesomely smart. But then Steve Jobs and his friends
aren't exactly what the people in this group are like, are they? The
point being if you are a super brain and work in a field where everybody
else is too then chances are your friends will all be brains too. But
that is the exception to the rule. The rule is most people's friends are
average just like they are. I compare it to the basketball dunking rule.
When you have the ability to dunk then it doesn't seem like a big deal
and probably all your friends can too. But how about everybody else? Can
they? No!

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Intelligence can be defined in a lot of ways. I have two daughters;
one is mentally quick as lightning and retains facts like a sponge.
The other doesn’t memorize nearly as well and takes a moment for
things to make sense but she can synthesize ideas from general
information much better then the other daughter. One is artsy and
the other mechanically inclined. No way could one call one daughter
more intelligent then the other.

Five years ago my company gave me an opportunity to get a Masters of
Science in Aerospace Engineering at a top 10 engineering school on the
condition that I finish it in one year and I work half time. I have
never worked harder and had so much fun then that year. Plus I
earned a 4.0 GPA. I ran circles around my fellow graduate students
mostly because I could see how things fitted together.

That's kind of surprising to hear because to be a graduate student means
you have to be one of the top students and intellects just to get
accepted in graduate school. So for you to have run circles around your
fellow grad students says to me that either your are far superior to
them in intellect and ability or they were not a very good group of
graduate students. If they were really good hard working students how
could you have been so much better than they were? Only by being way
above them in ability. Like I said in the basketball analogy. If you're
way better than everyone else it's easy to do things they can't.

The other thing is since you were in grad school I assume that you were
being taught by people with more education than you and I assume at
least as much intellectual capability. Did your teachers have PhDs? If
they had PhDs from major universities did you find them your equal
intellectually or were they smarter than you? We know they had PhDs and
you do not.




I work with a spectrum of people from collage professors to
machinists. I can think of three or four machinists who can
syntheses ideas better than most professors.

Three or four out of how many? You're not saying the machinists show
more brain power than your professors across the board are you? You
really mean you ran into a few machinists who were really smart but in
general the really smart people are professors with PhDs.



Hawke: your political views are what I would expect from someone who
received a BA in political science. If you want to impress me with
your intelligence start looking at issues from different prospectives
instead of being so predictably myopic.

You know what they say, you get what you pay for. I did get a degree in
political science so my views should reflect that. I would hope they do.
But I've never tried to impress anyone here with my intelligence. I
never said I was all that smart. I've been around enough people with
PhDs to know they are smarter than I am. I just call things as I see
them. If that is myopic that's just a reflection of who I am. I'm not a
tradesman or a musician. So what you see is what you get.

Hawke

On 1/17/2012 5:32 AM, wrote:
On Jan 17, 12:31 am, Ed wrote:

And I am curious why it matters to you, Ed?

Restore what you clipped, Dan, and you'll see what the subject is.

--
Ed Huntress

I know what the subject is. I clipped it out because I was sure you
knew what the subject was. But what I asked was why does it matter to
you. I can understand why it might matter to someone who was in the
military and actually involved with combat operations. But as I
recall you were never in the armed service. So I asked why it
mattered to you.

Dan


Do you think you have to have been in the military to be offended by
some yahoo running around lying about his exploits in the military when
he wasn't even in the service? I can tell you that most Americans are
greatly offended when they hear of someone holding himself up as a
veteran when they aren't. A better question is why would you ask your
question? Don't you understand how offensive it is for someone to lie
about being in the military when they never were?

Hawke

On Jan 17, 6:34*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 17, 4:55*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:



Dan clips for a reason...and he knows the reason.

TMT

Tell me the reason. *Make it public. *Do not be shy.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan

To hide the Truth.

You lie just like Gummer.

TMT

On Jan 17, 6:37*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 17, 4:54*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

And I am curious why it doesn't matter to you, Dan.

TMT

Because it does not directly affect me.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dan

If so why are you spending so much effort in this discussion?

Because it does affect you.

And you have lied again.

TMT

On 01/17/2012 04:52 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
You should sleep on an old television set, the kind with the vacuum tubes.
Every cat does and finds it highly successful. Lawrence Welk is the primo
evening TV show for good night sleep. Wunnerful, wunnerful.

I have a Lightning Welk postage stamp in a drawer. I have a Frilled
Dogwinkle one too. All of the cabinets are honey oak. I really wanted
hickory.

On 1/17/2012 4:48 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
On 1/16/2012 8:21 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

Yeah, sure, I'll believe that claim when I see the proof and not until.

So what would you accept as proof, assuming I would bother?

That would be simple enough. All you would have to do is get that group
of 20 or 30 people to come forward and show they are Mensa members and
that they all consider you to be a friend. Not just an acquaintance but
a "friend".

That makes as much sense as anything you post. Come forward how? I don't
know that any of them pay for newsgroup subscriptions and if they did
and posted here, you would denounce them as fraudulent.


All your dozen close friends are Mensa level intellects. What a crock.
If what you say is true you would be operating in truly elevated levels
with the highest intellect people you would find. But then we find you
here on a metalworking forum. Something doesn't fit the profile. A
genius like you hanging out with the rabble? Why?

Not much rabble here other than you.

No you're not rabble. You not that good. What your are is trash.

That's all you've got, another petty insult?


I became a machinist because the other, more intellectual jobs I had had
engaged my mind but not my hands and I have a strong mechanical
aptitude. I told several bosses that I became a machinist so I wouldn't
have to work for a living. They paid me to play.

So you are a professional tradesman? That's how you earned your living?
Or are you lying about that too?

Not so much a machinist any more, now mainly a CNC programmer of Mazak
and Mitsubishi LASERs. The title on my business card says Manager of
Information Systems, since I also maintain the company network.

You seem to the only one who missed the significance of the 2% figure I
used. Why does that not surprise me?

It shouldn't because nobody else knows what you are blathering about
either. Nobody cares about what percent you threw out there. It's not
true so what difference is there if the number was 1% or 3%.

So the other comments about Mensa flew right by you? Even for you, a new
level of cluelessness.

Yes, you're right. I don't know what you are referring to just like
everybody else. You're so cryptic that only you know what you are
talking about. Some people call that being so stupid only you can
understand you.

Others got the 2% reference, you missed it. Cryptic only to the clueless.



When you are bull****ting people the numbers don't really matter.

Once again you show us where your expertise lies.

It lies in many areas. Which you are ignorant of.

Yes, because the only expertise you show is in dispensing BS.

I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs
are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an
average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%.

As I expected, you know nothing about intelligence testing or IQ. There
is no such thing as a "genius IQ" outside the popular media, which is
also responsible for nonsense characterizations like non matching socks
and pocket protectors.

You probably didn't notice it because your superior intellect was
focused on some other deep matter, but the intellectual level we have
here in this group is certainly no higher than what you find in the
popular media.

Actually, most popular media is written for a 6th grade reading ability
so that people like you can understand it.

I couldn't care less that the popular media is aimed at a 6th grade
level. I haven't been at that level since I was 11. You are the one I'm
worried about. I'm not sure you can handle the popular media. If it's
for 6th graders it's going to be hard for you.

Not really. I finished 2nd grade reading at 4th grade level.

Spent a year in a tuberculosis sanatorium with little to do but read.

Entered 4th grade reading at high school sophomore level.

So to use language that is congruent with common
understanding and usage is perfectly appropriate. Only if you have a
giant head and are trying to foist some fake portrait of yourself as
being as brainy as a genius would that kind of language upset you some.

Ironically, (in the sense that you inadvertently got something right) I
do have a large head, some 7-3/4 sizes fit, most don't. I can't mail
order motorcycle helmets because their idea of XXL or XXXL is imprecise.

Whatever the actual size of your head that's not what I was referring
to. You don't get so much that it has to be explained to you like a
retard. You think you are great but you are lucky to be average.

Your response once again demonstrates how poor your reading
comprehension is.



131 is where it starts, some of the people I had dinner with last night
are as far beyond me as I am beyond you. Very exciting to talk with.

Beyond? You aren't even equal to. It's obvious to all that as Clint
Eastwood used to say, you are a legend in your own mind. You are also
afflicted by the Dunning-Kreuger effect, meaning you overestimate your
abilities and underestimate everyone else's. You're a particularly
serious example of thinking you are a lot better than you are.

Not really, just aware that I am a lot smarter than you.

Reality check. You are one of the less intellectual people here. You
aren't that bright, notwithstanding your own inflated view of yourself.

I gnash my teeth and rend my cloak in anguish because you think so
poorly of me.


Unlike you, who are the sort of person I joined Mensa to avoid.

Going to prove that? If you and Gunner are examples of Mensa members
that's a club I sure would want no part of.

I'm sure that will never be an issue.

Because I couldn't care less about being in it. It might be a good place
for a nerdy person like you though.

Once again you show us how little you know about how intelligent people
interact.

So what else do you and Gummer have in common besides being liars.

Well, for all his faults, he also is smarter than you are.

Way smarter than you. His IQ is 158. He told us. But he's really good at
hiding it. Just like you. Everyone thinks you aren't smart at all.

Everyone in the unique universe occupied only by Hawwke-ptooey.

No need to pretend, I know what my SAT scores were in '67.

That really tells me a lot. Mr. pocket protector.

What would be the point of my telling you my SAT scores? You wouldn't
believe me and I know of no way to objectively verify the scores.

The difference is that you have no evidence, I can just point to what
you post.

You haven't a shred of evidence either but that never stops you from
making unsupported pronouncements. No one with character acts like you
do. It's obvious. You deny the truth constantly and make accusations
with no evidence. That show what a dishonest jackass you are.

Again with the petty insult. I don't need to present evidence of your
inadequacy, you do that quite well all by yourself.


Ed is a professional writer, there are few others here who can say that.
I confess that I do not write as well as a professional writer. Nor do
you.

With the brainpower you claim to have it's hard to believe you can't
write on a professional level. The fact you can't shows what I have said
about you is true.

No, it shows I've never had a need to develop that skill.

You claim to be far superior than you really are.

No, just far superior to you.

You
do that so you can do your fake superiority routine. Too bad for you
that it doesn't work. You have to actually show you are better and you
can't.

Yet I have through out this discussion.



Was it a conscious decision to stop learning after you got your BA? Did
you realize you now knew everything you would ever need to?

Since I've been into learning my entire life and still am that puts a
lie to your supposition. Wanting to continue to learn at any age says to
all but the most ignorant that there is still a lot more for me to
learn. But keep making all the preposterous and wrong claims you want.
It just shows that you aren't serious.

True, I'm not serious in this discussion with you, its more like dealing
with a not very imaginative child.


What's funny is to hear your ignorance so prominently displayed. What
you say about me is about as accurate as you saying that Mitt Romney
isn't rich. I've been an avid reader since I was 12 years old.

Why did you wait so long?

It says an "avid" reader since I was 12 not that I wasn't a reader
before that. I'm sure I couldn't match you though, right? Weren't you
reading as an infant?

Nope, didn't have much time for reading until 2nd grade, 7 or 8 years
old. Not so much fiction at first, then I had a year with not much else
to do, started working on the novels in the sanatorium with lots of
looking at the dictionaries and encyclopedias for the new words and
concepts. Learning how to learn.


I've got at least 20 years of formal education under my belt.

And yet so little wisdom to show for it.

And what do you have to show for you genius at machinery? Certainly
nothing you have shown us here. I can't think of a single gem of wisdom
from you. All that comes out of you is criticism and that is not a sign
of wisdom but of psychological trouble.

Actually I'm just mocking your many pretensions.

I am constantly
undertaking new endeavors that teach me new things every year and I have
a lifelong history of learning. Then some completely ignorant Dude comes
along who doesn't know a damn thing about me and says the exact
opposite.

I doubt that I'm the only one who has seen you for what you are. And
aren't.

I would doubt that what you see anyone else does. You come across like
someone who thinks they are awesome.

No, I used to be awesome, but have little time for that now.


It's impossible for you to be any farther off the mark. You
have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, which tells me all I
need to know about you. You're a buffoon.

I have never felt I knew all I needed to about anything, which is why I
can continue to learn. You have just confessed that you choose to not
learn, to not try to stretch beyond your limited capacity. I pity you.

Really? Well, you sure act like a know it all.

No, just a lot more than you.

You think you know a lot
about me. But then every accusation you make has no basis in fact and no
evidence to support it.

Just the evidence you present whenever you post.

Everything you say is nothing but your own
biased and ignorant opinions minus the truth. You have a habit of that.
Just making pronouncements and expecting that people accept them as
true. Just one thing, they do need to do true if anyone is going to
believe them. You have a lot of work to do. From now on try to get the
facts first then go from there.

Hawwke-ptooey

I'm just reacting to the utter nonsense you keep spouting. You really
are amusing. I've never seen someone so convinced that a poli sci BA
from an obscure school actually means you have something to contribute
to adult discourse.

Loser.

David

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:54:11 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

The captain was out of brandy, and he was getting to be one miserable SOB.
The Bos'un's mate asked if it would be legal to push the cap'n down a
hatch, head first. Mark (Gunner) said......

Ive never been on anything bigger than 50 or so feet while in salt
water.

Fresh water..oh hell yes. Salt water...nope. Even Swift boats were
smaller than 50 feet



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wrote in message
...

Now have I told you the story about the storm our ship was in when we
were coming back from the Far East.....It was a dark and stormy
night...........


Dan



One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:30:27 -0800, Randal Scripter
wrote:


In civilian terms, gummer emulates a Group W Bench sitter.

Take a look at the ****-eating-grin dweeb in the lower right corner of
this picture, and tell me if it seems plausible to you that in less than
a year after graduating high school in 1971, he'd be toting an M21
sniper rifle (which wasn't yet called an M21) around Vietnam.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...pe =3&theater

To me, that seems utterly implausible.


To You?

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Gunner

"Up against the wall" (mother****er)



One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Randal Scripter on Tue, 17 Jan 2012
16:30:27 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Take a look at the ****-eating-grin dweeb in the lower right corner of
this picture, and tell me if it seems plausible to you that in less than
a year after graduating high school in 1971, he'd be toting an M21
sniper rifle (which wasn't yet called an M21) around Vietnam.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...pe =3&theater

To me, that seems utterly implausible.

To you, of course. Goes with your territory. Oh, and he's no
"skinnier" than a lot of troops, for that matter.

Is really "weird" what the military can do with scrawny kids. Make
men out of them for the most part.

--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

On Jan 17, 9:28*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jan 17, 6:34*pm, " wrote:

On Jan 17, 4:55*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Dan clips for a reason...and he knows the reason.

TMT

Tell me the reason. *Make it public. *Do not be shy.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan

To hide the Truth.

You lie just like Gummer.

TMT

Come, come, tell the reason. Saying it is to hide the truth is hardly
an answer. You need to say exactly what truth. There are many things
which are true. As I said do not be shy.

Dan

On Jan 17, 9:29*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Because it does not directly affect me.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dan

If so why are you spending so much effort in this discussion?

Because it does affect you.

And you have lied again.

TMT

How stupid can one person be. I spent some time in this thread
because I am curious why some people are so offended or at least say
they are offended. Not because I am offended. So where is the lie?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


Dan

On Jan 17, 8:45*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:


They don't care if he's a bald-faced liar or not. That's what I was
asking Chris about. If that doesn't matter, I have to wonder what
does.

There are things I can control and things that I can not control. I
do not get upset about things that I can not control and that I had
nothing to do with. So you are right. I do not care if he is a bald-
faced liar or not. I just wonder why you care.



Dan

And, for most of us, he's only on a computer screen.
Not like we live next door.

I wonder how that cruise line ship aground is doing?
Guess I could do a google news, eh?

Christopher A. Young
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wrote in message
...

There are things I can control and things that I can not control. I
do not get upset about things that I can not control and that I had
nothing to do with. So you are right. I do not care if he is a bald-
faced liar or not. I just wonder why you care.



Dan

On 1/17/2012 9:46 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Randal on Tue, 17 Jan 2012
16:30:27 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Take a look at the ****-eating-grin dweeb in the lower right corner of
this picture, and tell me if it seems plausible to you that in less than
a year after graduating high school in 1971, he'd be toting an M21
sniper rifle (which wasn't yet called an M21) around Vietnam.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...pe =3&theater

To me, that seems utterly implausible.

To you, of course.

To most observers here.


Goes with your territory. Oh, and he's no
"skinnier" than a lot of troops, for that matter.

Is really "weird" what the military can do with scrawny kids. Make
men out of them for the most part.

The military does no such thing. The military cannot turn a dweeb into
a man.

On 1/17/2012 8:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:30:27 -0800, Randal Scripter
wrote:


In civilian terms, gummer emulates a Group W Bench sitter.

Take a look at the ****-eating-grin dweeb in the lower right corner of
this picture, and tell me if it seems plausible to you that in less than
a year after graduating high school in 1971, he'd be toting an M21
sniper rifle (which wasn't yet called an M21) around Vietnam.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...pe =3&theater

To me, that seems utterly implausible.


To You?

To all knowledgeable observers.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 06:10:00 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 17, 8:45*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:


They don't care if he's a bald-faced liar or not. That's what I was
asking Chris about. If that doesn't matter, I have to wonder what
does.

There are things I can control and things that I can not control. I
do not get upset about things that I can not control and that I had
nothing to do with. So you are right. I do not care if he is a bald-
faced liar or not. I just wonder why you care.

If none of it matters to you, why do you care if it matters to me?

--
Ed Huntress

Randal Scripter on Wed, 18 Jan 2012
08:07:00 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 1/17/2012 8:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:30:27 -0800, Randal Scripter
wrote:


In civilian terms, gummer emulates a Group W Bench sitter.

Take a look at the ****-eating-grin dweeb in the lower right corner of
this picture, and tell me if it seems plausible to you that in less than
a year after graduating high school in 1971, he'd be toting an M21
sniper rifle (which wasn't yet called an M21) around Vietnam.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...pe =3&theater

To me, that seems utterly implausible.


To You?

To all knowledgeable observers.

Well, that obviously leaves you out.
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

On 1/18/2012 11:10 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Randal on Wed, 18 Jan 2012
08:07:00 -0800 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 1/17/2012 8:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:30:27 -0800, Randal Scripter
wrote:


In civilian terms, gummer emulates a Group W Bench sitter.

Take a look at the ****-eating-grin dweeb in the lower right corner of
this picture, and tell me if it seems plausible to you that in less than
a year after graduating high school in 1971, he'd be toting an M21
sniper rifle (which wasn't yet called an M21) around Vietnam.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...pe =3&theater

To me, that seems utterly implausible.


To You?

To all knowledgeable observers.

Well, that obviously leaves you out.

No, it includes me near the top of the list. You knew that, too - you
were just being a prickcheese, as usual.