On Oct 8, 12:32*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:26*am, "
wrote:





On Oct 8, 9:49*am, RicodJour wrote:

On Oct 8, 7:22*am, "
wrote:

On Oct 8, 3:54*am, "Bob-tx" No Spam no contact wrote:

*Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt
*forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home
equity
*loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt
must
*be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank
*Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all
*Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must
*also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in
default,
*I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

This one is a good example of the total ignorance
of this rag tag group of misfits and more than
enough to totally discredit them. *The total
devastation of what this would do to the economy
and everyone in it is apparent to anyone with
a brain. *Here are just a few examples:

Grandma has a retirement account invested 100% in
bonds. *That account is now worthless.
Joe sold his house last year and took back a
mortgage, receiving a payment every month. *That
mortgage is now worthless and he receives
no more payments. *The guy who bought the
house is the lucky beneficiary of Joe's misfortune
and now owns the house free and clear and only
paid whatever he put down to buy it. * Same
thing with the new car Bill bought on credit
last year. *He owns it and the banking company,
who issued the loans is bankrupt. *The folks
who happen to own stock in that banking
company, either directly or through say a
pension plan that is invested in stocks, just
lost a chunk of their pension....

Obviously the loons who came up with this
list have no grasp of even the simple examples
above about how the economy works. * Yet, they
think they know how to run an economy. *Go
figure.

Why are you analyzing bull**** posted by an anonymous source on an
open forum and regurgitated here by a knee-jerk? *One person posts
bull**** and everybody is in a tizzy. *Sheesh.

"Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! (User
Submitted)

Posted Sept. 25, 2011, 3:46 p.m. EST (12 days ago) by anonymous

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum
post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/
commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not
published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed
or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There
is NO official list of demands."

I am at a loss as to how you could read that "list of demands" and not
know INSTANTLY that it's complete and utter bull****. *It's meant to
provoke and cause usually level-headed people to say things like "This
one is a good example of the total ignorance of this rag tag group of
misfits and more than enough to totally discredit them."

You owe it to yourself to not succumb to such obvious disinformation,
and you owe it to other people to not promulgate that disinformation.

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Excuse me, but I did not judge them to be a rag
tag bunch of misfits just on this list of demands.
I made that determination after listening to many
interviews with actual demonstraters. *What I
heard was garbage that is similar to the list
of demands. * Among the statements:

The jews have all the money and control the
economy.

All the billionaires in the USA are Jews.

Companies are genetically modifying crops
to change our DNA.

911 was an inside job.

The World Bank is stealing our money.

I won't take a $7 an hour job!

In other words, these folks are a lot like the
rioters that show up at G7 meetings just mad
as hell about anything and everything with no
coherent message.

Some of them, sure, no arguments. *But let's face it - wacko
statements make more interesting television, and without clear cut
leaders, orgnization and demands, anyone that is interviewed is going
to be giving their personal take on things.

Why would labor and teacher's unions get behind it if it's all
wackadoodles?

Because the leaders of some unions are wackadoodles too.
As a leader of an organization like a union, would you affiliate
yourself with a protest that has no clear agenda or message?




The Tea Party grew out some mad as hell people, and then organization
stepped in, in the guise of the Koch brothers, amongst others, and
became a game changer. *And we all know what fine upstanding citizens
the Koch brothers are.http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...flout-law-gett...

I have no problem with mad as hell people shaking the gridlock loose.

They can do what they want, but until somebody has a
message of what they are mad as hell about, what exactly
they want, I'm sure not gonna be supportive.


The Tea Party is represented as a populist movement, and it did start
out that way, then the deep pockets got involved as it fit in nicely
with their aims.

Even from the start, the Tea Party had a basic message
which was they are against big govt and big govt spending.




The Occupy Wall Street thing is also starting out as a populist
movement. *No figureheads, no mouthpieces, not much of any concerted
effort - but it does seem to be drawing a lot of attention. *With
organized labor and others getting behind it it could become another
game changer, or it could fizzle out. *We shall see.

Yes, I agree. Another view is that it's the first ste[ toward
what we're seeing in Greece. Looks very similar to me as
in Greece you have a bunch of people just mad about
everything, but unwilling to back any of the necessary
steps to save the country. They're just in the streets bitching.
Some because they can't find a job. Some because they
don't like the salary cuts the govt has made. Some because
they don't like the domestic program cuts the govt is making,
etc.


The main thing I appreciate about it is that it seems to be waking up
the large majority of the apathetic young non-voters. *This can be
nothing but a good thing.

Not if those new voters are just as pig ignorant as all the
protesters I've seen interviewed.



You didn't address the main point of my reply to your post. *How could
you not instantly know that that list was a bunch of bull****, posted
by a lone wackadoodle, or a post calculated to spread disinformation?

Because it looked just like the crazy statements I've
seen the protesters give when interviewed.


Go back and read it again. *The thing is absurd form the get go, with
a few plausible items thrown in for believability (free education for
all). *So why did you buy into it?

I didn't buy into it as some official position because I
know this is a rag-tag group with no consistent message.
I did think it could be at least one or more individuals
that are demonstrating or supporting them.