On Jul 14, 1:38*pm, RBM wrote:
On 7/14/2011 10:20 AM, bud-- wrote:



On 7/13/2011 3:20 PM, RBM wrote:
On 7/13/2011 3:22 PM, bob haller wrote:
On Jul 13, 2:48 pm, wrote:
On 7/13/2011 8:17 AM, bob haller wrote:

On Jul 12, 11:29 am, wrote:
On 7/11/2011 4:54 PM, bob haller wrote:

On Jul 11, 1:28 pm, wrote:
bob haller posted for all of us...

incidently some K&T was found on a holmes on homes show. the
inspect
rebuild house show.

mike holmes said unsafe and it was all ripped out.

Yeah, he was commenting on the "repairs" to the K&T Also this is
Canada.

Also snip your posts...

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Tekkie

I wonder what percentage of ALL K&T still in use today has never
been
modified? I bet near all has been modified over the years.

Just consult your Ouija board like you have in the past.

"Modified"? Probably not many systems that have not been added to
with
other wiring.

And K&T is still in the NEC. One of the permitted uses is
"extensions of
existing installations".

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Well modern electrical systems can have every electrical connection
checked by opening a workbox or fixture

With K&T there are no boxes to open, open a wall for another reason
sometimes you discover a overheated burned electrical connection
buried in the wall. where it could easily start a fire.,

Instead of pulling this nonsense out of your ass, show some
documentation, pictures, etc. of all these "burned electrical
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Obviously you havent [sic] been around K&T.

Geez Roy - what kind of electrician are you that hasn't been around K&T???

I have "been around K&T". I have run across one bad concealed
connection. I don't remember any "hacked" K&T. Maybe it is a
Pennsylvania thing.

Connections were made in walls, with no access after the plaster walls
went up.

This introduced 2 HAZARDS........

a connection could overheat and being inaccessible it cant be seen or
inspected

the connection may be around something that can burn, like insulation,
wood etc....

K&T was a good system when installed, but its aged now.

Instead of pulling this nonsense out of your ass, show any
documentation, pictures, etc. you can find to back up your statements.

There has to be documentation of all the probably thousands of fires
caused by all haller's bad K&T, but haller has a problem with
documentation.

Like his link to a report from the "Pennsylvania Department of Community
and Economic Development" that says "properly installed and unaltered
K&T wiring is not an inherent fire hazard", from an agency that does not
"replace K&T at every opportunity", and insulates over K&T. And in
haller's own state.

And his link that said "the wires in knob-and-tube are aluminum" which
is a problem because copper and aluminum "carry current at slightly
different speeds" and "copper into aluminum is where things get tricky -
if the water (current) flows faster thru copper than thru aluminum, you
are going to get a backup at that junction."

haller does, however, have a very active Ouija board from which he gets
a lot of his information. Would a video of the Ouija board in action be
OK Roy?

My personal belief is that Haller lives on a street with dilapidated old
houses where nobody has the funds to upgrade or do proper repairs. In
his narrow view of the world, he sees all houses like those around him.
Despite the fact that you've pointed out to him 9000 times that K&T is
still recognized in the newest NEC,HE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

Yes, as an electrician since 1972, and second generation as well, I've
seen K&T a time or two. What interested me most about the stuff, from
the first time I came across it, was the very fact that it holds up so
much better than many types of wiring that came later. That, and the
fact that it was so labor intensive to install,and really was a work of
art. In today's world with grounded systems and the labor involved , K&T
isn't practical to install, but I've never seen any reason to leave the
few outlets connected to it for a lamp or two, which isn't to say that
new, additional circuits shouldn't be run to facilitate new equipment.
And by the way Bud, how old is your car???

BUD CRACK IS A FREAKING CLOWN & A TROLL.......OR HES GAY AND LOVES
TEASING MEN.
DONT PAY HIM NO MIND, HE JUST CRAVES THE ATTENTIONS ON MEN.
HOW CAN YOU TAKE ANYONE LIKE THAT SERIOUSLY?
DROP IT !
PATECUM
TGITM