On 6/1/2011 8:05 AM, jamesgangnc wrote:
On May 31, 6:43 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 5/31/2011 2:45 PM, jamesgangnc wrote:
On May 31, 10:29 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Neat, I'd not heard about dry systems. Good thing I have a
pound or two of gas, left.
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ERRRRRRRR! Wrong, manufacturers no longer ship systems
containing R-22.
We purchase and install new R-22 equipment referred to as
"dry" systems.
The equipment has no refrigerant in it. At the start of
Spring, I
installed a new condensing unit designed for R-22 for a
customer who
didn't need everything replaced. The condensing unit came
from the factory charged with nitrogen. The new equipment we
obtain from
the supply house has the new refrigerant R-410A and enough
is in
the new condensing unit for a matching evaporator and a
15-20foot line
set. My suppliers have a hard time keeping "new" dry R-22
equipment in
stock because of demand. :-)
TDD
ok, my bad. Sort of a symantics thing. There are not supposed ot be
any new complete r22 systems sold. Yes, you can buy every part of a
system.
You can buy a complete R-22 system, it just won't have any R-22 in it. :-)
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True enough. There is some debate about this now in the industry.
The intent of the law was to stop the sale and installtion of new r22
systems after 2010. The actual wording of the law prevents the sale
of pre-charged r22 equipment after 2010. Thus creating the loophole
for the sale of empty r22 equipment. Some are mad at the
manufacturers for continuing to make the r22 equipment since a lot of
them have been telling customers that after 2010 you won't be able to
buy r22 equipment. The downturn in the economy has contributed a bit
as well with more people looking for ways to get by as cheaply as
possible. The situation has lead to some techs offering to replace
r22 systems with new r22 systems for less than the cost of a new r410a
system.
I can't complain about it myself since I picked up a new r22 system
just last month. My house has two systems. One is a 3 year old r22
system and the other is a 19 year old r22 system. I picked up a
matching r22 system, dry of course, so that I could replace the 19
year old one with one that matches the 3 year old one. Having 2 the
same makes troubleshooting a breeze. I'm not real worried about the
availability of r22 for the next 5 or 6 years. After that I'll just
keep a can for myself.
Me and my buddy GB are repairing more than we replace but we do install
new R-410A systems when a whole system needs replacing. The problem is
a great many HVAC companies have and have had a policy of replace
instead of repair. Me and my friend are just the opposite, we will
repair if possible and only replace if necessary. It's actually easier
to replace a condensing unit than it is to replace its compressor but I
do it all the time and am quite good at it. The caveat is the warranty
on a new compressor is one year and the warranty on a new condensing
unit is 5 years but you have to tell the customer the truth and give
them a choice. If I see that the condenser coil is in good shape and
the fan and other electrical parts are good, I recommend replacing the
compressor but if the coil is beat up and the fan motor is soon to die,
I tell the customer a condensing unit is a better deal especially if
it's a beat up heat pump with all the extra components that can die.
TDD