"Wes" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:

More like Trump claiming he had "information" that Obama's original record
was "lost," or that he has "investigators" in Hawaii. No one can find any
evidence they exist, nor anyone they have talked to in Hawaii. They must
be
awfully small...

Can we get forensic testing of the actual long form?

Why? If someone doesn't believe the Hawaii officials on this, Wes (the head
of that department, who said she saw it twice, is a Republican), then
they'll never believe anything. They'll just keep finding more reasons to
believe it's a fraud.

A pdf isn't proof. Might as well
get that out, it will be coming.

Nothing is "proof," except belief in the integrity of the states'
record-keeping system. The birthers are a little nuts. To continue with this
now, they'll have to appear even more nuts. I suspect they'll quiet down
soon, and if they don't, they'll play right into the Democrats' hands in the
next election. Centrists don't want to be associated with nuts, and it's the
center that will determine the next election, as it usually does.


FWIW, Bill O'Reily investigated this and his team found notices in the
newspaper of the
birth so I'm not inclined to be a birther though has been fun watching
this. I'm not
suprized the President released this, there are states that have made
disclosure a
requirement to get on the ballot.

I don't think any state has passed this yet. Jan Brewer vetoed it in
Arizona, and the other states are beginning to realize they will run into a
Constitutional problem if they refuse to accept *other* states'
certification. See Article IV, Section 1. And Congress can dictate the
procedures they have to use, under the same Section.

The question is whether each states' authority to run its own elections
extends to how they will treat candidates from other states. I don't think
the S.C. has ruled on this specific point, although I haven't done a
thorough search.


I did do a bit of research, I was going to ask where his foot print was
but that isn't
what is done. Too bad, it could have eliminated a lot of identity fraud
over the years.

g No, those are "souvenir" certificates. They aren't certified and, in NJ,
you can't even use one to get a driver's license.


I *wish* we would quit wasting time on Trump, he is as republican as Mayor
for life
Bloomberg. I was really hoping Halley would run but he decided he would
rather have a
life.

Wes

Maybe the Republicans can get Bob Dole to run again. I haven't seen him in
Viagra commercials for years, so maybe he's not too busy.

--
Ed Huntress