Oh wow thats brilliant.

CW wrote:

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"Phil" wrote in message
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The problem is easy, you have to look no farther than yourself (me too).
All of us USA citizens are to blame. The solution is us also, but we're
doomed. Why, a whole host of reasons.
1. We want a social safety net called welfare, cause we might lose our job
one day and we want the government to fall back on. Well that cost all of
us, individual income taxes, corporate taxes, sales taxes, and a small
amount each US made product we buy cause it comes out of the bottom line.
2. We want a retirement system call social security, guess who pays, you ,
the company you work for when they match the social security tax that is
taken out of your paycheck. And the people that buy our products because
it's a cost that has to be paid.
3. We want an old age medical system called Medicare. Same cost
implication as above.
4. Now we want cheap prescription drugs and healthcare. Guess who pays,
companies, you and I in the form of taxes, and those who buy our
products. Nothing from the government is free, it's our tax money!
5. We want our companies to give us free health, life, dental and vision
insurance, higher pensions, retirement health care, long term
disability.. It all goes into the bottom line so our products are more
expensive.

I had to laugh the other day when one of the technicians was ragging on
the current administration about how they were taking care of the rich,
and how he didn't make enough to consider himself as middle class
anymore. Of course he did this just after getting off his cell phone on
a call from his wife on her cell phone going over details on their new
2700 sq ft ranch (I understand it plush, not cheap either, and they
haven't sold their existing home). Of course this was before he left for
the day in his 2 year old $35,000 pickup he bought new. Yes his wife
works, but makes less than him, and they haven't inherited any money
either. TRUE STORY!!!

Folks, this class warfare blaming the rich, and the politicians is
blinding us to the truth, anything we hit our employers or the government
for in income or benefits costs us! And we just keep digging the hole
deeper!!! Yes I have my cell phone, and comfy home, and lots of
unnecessary stuff, I'll claim social security, want better roads, and
cheaper healthcare insurance, so I am just as guilty as the next guy, but
I don't vote for and don't want more government, do you? What really
****es me off these days is people want cheaper healthcare insurance. So
we have no or low co-payments, but it's now costing us weekly premiums out
of our paychecks cause everybody goes to the Dr. when they sneeze. The
people that use the service should pay. Everybody else should pay a
reasonable amount for the risk of a costly medical issue. There is a
large portion of our society that beats the drum of socialism that doesn't
label it socialism. The call it the "government should do it or our
employeer should". Well the government gets all it's money from us folks,
and the products we provide is our wages and benifits, same products I
provide, you buy.
11. Nothing will change until each person takes responsibility for
themselves and their family, ask less of their employeer, local, state and
federal government. i.e. we're doomed. The majority cost of each US
product we buy is made up of wages, taxes and benifits. A business is
considered successfull if they profit 10 cents on the dollar. Oh, buy the
way, that 10 cents of profit comes to you and me in our mutual funds,
pensions (equities), Certificate of Deposits.........

Free enterprise works, trouble is the rest of the world hasn't gotten
social security, welfare, healthcare, good roads yet so their cheaper. So
we buy from them more and more.

Phil


Tom Watson wrote:

Today I was making up Purchase Orders for fabricated steel parts to go
into a store fixture project that I'm working on.

I had sent out a half dozen Requests For Quote to five 'Murrican
suppliers and one to a fella over in China. The guy in China was
recommended to the company that I work for as a cheap and reliable
source for fabricated metal parts.

One of the 'Murrican suppliers is just on the other side of the wall
from where our offices are (He's the guy with the welder that makes my
computer screen jump when it fires off).

The least involved piece that I sent out for quote came back at $6.05
from the low bidder - that is the low bidder who was a "Murrican.

The guy in China quoted a price that would make it $0.87, when the
shipping fees were added that would get the pieces to our warehouse.
You don't even want to know what the price was without shipping.

Lest you think that the guy in China is a stinkpot operation that
cranks out easy to do stuff with slave labor - all the complicated
stuff was similarly below the nearest 'Murrican bidder and the guys
quotes came in on the best looking computerized format of any of the
bidders, quoting weights, volumes and shipping costs and quoting a
firm leadtime (to the day) as opposed to the "three to six weeks" of
the 'Murricans.

Guess who I was writing out the Purchase Order to?

Yeah, it's bidness but it's damned sad.

It seems to me that the guys we've come to let be in charge of this
country have decided that we will be a nation of managers, paper
pushers and the kind of professionals who support bidness type stuff.

What are we going to do with all of our guys who work in factories, if
this continues?

Will economics drive them into an underclass that we will pay, through
welfare, to keep them from revolting - for a while?

What will we do when we have to manufacture defense items but no
longer have the ability?

Somebody done gave away the store.

I'm paying careful attention to this election. I don't see much in
the way of raw talent that will make for much of a change.

Same guys. Same attitudes. Same relation to money.

Maybe I'll start studying Mandarin.

Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
(Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/