On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:38:02 -0800, Hawke
wrote:
Do you think that kind of **** is going to fly in the 21st century? With
Twitter, Facebook, Google, the internet, and all the social networking
happening around the world how popular are those kind of Muslim
fundamentalists going to be with the majorities in most countries? Not
very, if you ask me.
Most in the Muslim World actually WANT fundamentalist sharia law
governments. At least they want them until they have actually lived
under them for some years, say, like the Iranians. Then they find out
that a theocracy is oppresive and Muhammad's Utopian vision of
theocratic government is unworkable as a practical matter.
For instance:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc459dfc-3...44feabdc0.html
One recent Pew opinion poll showed 80 per cent support in Egypt for
the idea that adulterers should be stoned, the kind of figure that
bolsters the fears of those who worry that Facebook Egypt will be
outvoted by fundamentalist Egypt.
Hundreds of years ago most Muslims thought just like that and they made
everyone covert to their way of thinking or die. That's not going to
work now. They don't have the armies to force Islam on anyone. When you
give people the choice most of them aren't going to throw out one
dictator and put another one in his place. Fundamentalist Muslims are
not going to win much of anything anywhere there are free elections.
That's just the way it is. Only in the most backward places with the
most ignorant people will that kind of thinking be accepted. Too bad for
the fundamentalist Muslims. I feel sorry for them. As long as they live
they're never going to get what they want. They'll always be a small
minority. Once people get to run their own country they don't want to
give it up very easily.
Hawke
Quoting you: "Only in the most backward places with the most ignorant
people will that kind of thinking be accepted."
For instance:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc459dfc-3...44feabdc0.html
This is a country where 44 per cent of the population is illiterate or
semi-literate and where 40 per cent live on less than $2 a day. Low
wages, rising food prices and high youth unemployment mean that there
are plenty of frustrated people, whose voices will now be heard in a
freer political climate. The government is already running a big
budget deficit, so has few resources to buy off the discontented.
I comment:
What is likely to happen is that the Muslim Brotherhood, really the
only organized political force in the country other then the army,
will garner power in any election and then "jihad" against its
opposition (use intimidation, threats, and violence...like when they
assassinated Anwar Sadat) until it is in complete control of the
country. Once the Muslim Brotherhood's Mullahs are in place,
elections under the sharia law model only allow for the election of
puppet stooges who must obey the Mullah's final authority, i.e., a
THEOCRACY. Look at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran. Sure he's the elected
president....but can he challange the supreme leader Ayatollah Ali
Khamenei? Nope.
Egypt is going to turn into a disaster area. Maybe the Muslim
Brotherhood will destroy the entirety of the ancient Egyptian cultural
artifacts. They might rule all of that as "idols" like the Taliban did
with the ancient Bhuddahs in Afghanistan and destroy it. I can't
imagine that the average Egyptian will stand for that, but the Mullahs
will rule the army by that time and will kill any who oppose them.
Such is theocracy.
Dave