On Feb 1, 5:24 am, Swingman wrote:
On 1/31/2011 8:51 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jan 31, 3:59 pm, wrote:

I'll buy that only when you can show me pictoral proof where either of
these guys has built a complete modern kitchen with their untailed
tools, bow saws and dovetail saws, one containing provisions for all the
modern conveniences and accouterments expected in today's high end
kitchens, and done in a sufficient time and manner to justify the labor
costs to make a living at it ... .

... until then, I say horsedookie ...

If woodworking to you is simply banging out 'modern' kitchens, then,
sure, you win. Funnily enough, I don't think MDF is wood and I'm
still on the fence about plywood being wood. I refuse to call working
something other than wood, woodworking - that's just me. It has
nothing to do with anyone else's preferences and predilections. You
like it, knock yourself out.

Problem here is that you ignored/didn't address the topic in my post in
which you chose to insert your opinions.

NBD, but doing so would have kept your assumptions from running rampant
down a path that doesn't exist.

I don't answer set up questions such as, were you the stupidest kid on
your bus? Woodworking to me is not plywood and it is not just
kitchens, modern or otherwise. Woodworking is a series of steps, and
some of them benefit from power tools, for one reason or another, and
others power tools are just as likely to mess up the work, and are an
actual hindrance, for one reason or another. Perhaps the reason that
you feel power tools are faster in all aspects of woodworking is that
you have never seen a truly fast person with hand tools. That's not
much of a surprise as hand work is pretty much a lost art at this
point.

Let me ask you a question, which, of course you are free to ignore if
you feel it is a setup.

You are proud of your kitchens. If you could invest an unlimited
amount of money into an unlimited size shop, and had CNC everything
where you could design a kitchen in Sketchup and press a button and
the parts would all be precut, would that make you more or less proud
of your work?

And another - do you use story poles? Tick sticking? You probably
use a lot of old time techniques that are just as valid as they were
back in the day.

As far as the labor costs and that stuff - that's just marketing. If
someone can't figure out a way to market their stuff so people see the
value in the product and are willing to pay a premium for the work,
that's not the fault of any tool, power or hand.

R