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"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message ...
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:17:13 -0600, "Paul K. Dickman"
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:11:31 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 06:04:28 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:
if everybody quits, do you think the gvnmt will cut the billions they
recieve in taxes from their budgets or just find someone or something
else
to tax?
be careful what you wish forg
Do you honestly think that the taxes brought in from tobacco sales
outweigh the massive healthcare debt brought on by sick smokers?
Actually...yes. Only 20% of smokers have medical issues related to
smoking. Yet 100% of smokers pay into the system in very big big ways.
Got any hard figures to go with that? I figured that if ten bucks per
carton went to taxes, the average 2-pack/day smoker would contribute
$730/yr for those 73 cartons. After 20 years, that's $14,600.
How much does a full diagnostic workup for cancer cost?
How much to treat emphysema?
How much does a lung resection/removal cost?
http://healthcarebluebook.com/page_R...=45&dataset=MD
Oops, you just blew THIRTY FIVE YEARS of tax payments, not including
R&R time.
How much does chemo cost?
Throat/mouth cancer treatments?
I think you're wishing here, mon. BTW, Federal taxes are only
$6.16/carton.
Your numbers are out of date. Federal taxes are now $10.10 per carton.
State
I got that from the first googled site I found with a figure. Cite?
$6.16 was the amount of the increase.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ect-wednesday/
Tobacco companies and public health advocates, longtime foes in the nicotine
battles, are trying to turn the situation to their advantage. The major
cigarette makers raised prices a couple of weeks ago, partly to offset any
drop in profits once the per-pack tax climbs from 39 cents to $1.01.
and local add to that. Around here the taxes are about $47 per carton not
including sales tax.
$47 in taxes for, what, a $55 carton? GET REAL! Cites, please.
http://www.galesburg.com/archive/x54...-kicking-habit
Cigarettes in Illinois cost $49 to $55 a carton - with 10 packs in acarton - outside the Chicago area. A carton is $90 to $95 in Chicago becauseof additional taxes imposed by Cook County and the city of Chicago,according to Harry "Bud" Kelley, executive director of the Association ofTobacco and Candy Distributors.
The median tax (Fed + State not including local) is $23.49 per carton.
Cite?
http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/resea...s/pdf/0097.pdf
Table shows all cigarette tax rates in effect now. Since 2002, 47 states,DC, and several U.S. territories have increased their cigarette tax ratesmore than 100 times. The three states in bold type have not increased theircigarette tax since 1999 or earlier. Currently, 29 states, DC, Puerto Rico,the Northern Marianas, and Guam have cigarette tax rates of $1.00 per packor higher; 14 states, DC, and Guam have cigarette tax rates of $2.00 perpack or higher; five states and Guam have cigarette tax rates of $3.00 perpack or higher; and one state (NY) has a cigarette tax rate more than $4.00per pack. Tobacco states are KY, VA, NC, SC, GA, and TN. States' averageincludes DC, but not Puerto Rico, other U.S. territories, or local cigarettetaxes. The median tax rate is $1.339 per pack. AK, MI, MN, MS, UT also havespecial taxes or fees on brands of manufacturers not participating in thestate tobacco lawsuit settlements
I don't know what the current numbers are, but Hills study from the 50's
showed an increased mortality rate for lung cancer and cardiovascular
disease among cigarette smoking doctors at 3.42 per 1000 person years. So
the 20% may be a reasonable number.
Cite?
http://www.cdc.gov/excite/classroom/smoking_q.pdf
Excess Deaths per 1000 Person-Years
Lung Cancer 1.23
Cardiovascular Disease 2.19
So, a thousand people smoke for 20 years. Collectively they pay $343million
dollars into the fund. 200 get sick that leaves them 1.7 million each for
treatment.
Redo the figures with real numbers, Paul.
I did. If you check my reply to myself, I made a mistake on my firstcalculations, I added an extra zero. The patients only get $170,000.
Paul K. Dickman