On Dec 23, 10:26*pm, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 12/23/2010 4:39 PM, Disbelief wrote:









Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 12/22/2010 7:12 PM, Tim W wrote:
Now we are with our families think a little of Bradley Manning.
Seven months in solitary confinement alone in a cell without a
pillow or sheet, forbidden even to exercise. May God bless him and
keep him and may he know that we think of him.

http://www.armycourtmartialdefense.i...-day-for-pfc-b....

Tim W

snipped. *It makes no
difference whether or not he feels noble about his acts, he broke a
clear and unambiguous set of promises he made *voluntarily*.

Which all Americans in government and public service do every minute of
every day - especially your politicians.

Snipped. *The problem with
the Mannings of this world is that they want to be the Saviors Of
Mankind, but want this to be consequence-free.

Rather like the ethos of the USA which generally wants to "be the Saviors Of
Mankind" - as long as its to their benefit and profit.

Worst of all, Manning and Assange didn't act to *selectively* disclose
what they felt was a set of bad actions by the US government. *They
simply dumped everything in sight into the public eye (or are doing
so as we speak) without regard for the consequences to diplomats,
their dependents, the military folks who are in harm's way, and the
diplomatic process itself. *By doing what they did, they deeply
damaged the whole process of diplomatic negotiations and probably
made the current wars *last longer*.

What an utter load of cobblers! *Manning and Assange have done the world a
great service - and what is America doing about it?

Using unlawful methods to try and get Assange extradited to the USA or some
of your politicians (Palin for one) is demanding unlawful execution of
Assange - and that is from the land of "freedom and free speech".
Hypocrites!!

As for "deeply damaged the whole process of diplomatic negotiations" why
does your diplomatic service need personal biometric and financial data of
members of the UN and foreign governments - along with other irrelevant
data? *Your government diplomats "harmed" themselves by stupidly allowing up
to 3,000,000 US citizens access to restricted information - and any one (or
more) could/is passing on that information in many different ways.

Manning got what he deserves and needs to go to jail for the rest of
his life.

Why, he has actually done the world a great service and exposed the true
colours and motives of the so-called "land of the free" - which in reality
is rapidly becoming the police state of the world.

P.S. *The founders of the US put their lives at risk to stand up to
* * *abusive government.

Very admirable too, but that's what many people are doing now in the most
abusive country in the world... *AMERICA*

But - unlike Manning - they did so
* * *consciously, without demanding a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card if
they got caught.

But remember, they were the traitors and terrorists of the day - and every
"traitor and terrorist" is some countries "hero and freedom fighter".

As a matter of interest, how do you know that they didn't "consciously,
demanding a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card if they got caught"? *You weren't
there...

Right, but I've read their considerably writing ... you might do the same..

I do so wish the US would withdraw from the world state for, say, 20 years or
so that people like you could get a taste of what the planet would feel like
with people of conviction and genuine interest in liberty might feel like..
You are free to criticise us as you wish ... you have that luxury because -
if you live free - it is almost certain that American blood and treasure
made it possible.


It makes one wonder how you cling so tenaciously to the notion of
"free markets," yet insist that they not be applied to the actions of
Nations -- implicitly demanding that yours intercede in the actions of
others.....

Actually, I tend to agree with you: absent SOME of the US's
interventions, the world would be a much less equitable, much less
civilized place than, even, it is.

Ditto the notion of "free markets." Absent the same sort of
intervention, the haves will -- at every opportunity -- screw the have
nots.