On 12 Oct 2010 02:27:58 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2010-10-12, J D Slocomb wrote:
On 11 Oct 2010 23:30:03 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2010-10-11, Gunner Asch wrote:

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And it tells the other side when its empty.

I don't think that anything tells the other side that more than
a Luger. :-) (I guess that you could paint the toggle links day-glo
orange or something, but even without that, it is still pretty obvious,
even to the person you are pointing it at.

Is the Garrand empty status more visible to someone off to the
side? Does it perhaps drop the magazine automatically? (I've never had
one of those to play with -- just the 98 Mauser, and the SKS for long
guns.)

[ ... ]

He is talking about the rather distinctive "ting" the Garand makes
when it ejects the empty clip. This story has been going round and
round probably since the days that the Garand was accepted and makes
perfect sense - there you are in the middle of a fire fight - 50
people shooting guns, grenades exploding, machine guns blasting away
and you fire your last round and the rifle ejects the clip - Ting.

Immediately the enemy, hearing that noise, amid the sounds of battle,
and knowing that your rifle is empty leap to their feet and charge
your position as they now know that your weapon is empty.....

Hmm ... how likely are they to hear that with all the other
noise sources around you that you just described?

And in a battle, would there not be others near you who were not
yet empty?

And, given that you can load 8 rounds into a Garand faster then you
can load 7 into a colt 1911 you can see that the enemy has a plenty of
time to come and get you.

It doesn't take long to put a full magazine into the 1911 if you
aren't worried about saving the empty magazine -- or are you talking
about the time needed to fill an empty magazine? Did the Garand use a
stripper clip, or something which shoved into the underside of the
action?

Thanks,
DoN.


The Garand used/uses a clip, for want of a better word, that holds 8
rounds in a double column. The clip and cartridges are loaded en block
into the top of the open action. Pressing the clip into the action
releases the bolt to go into battery stripping the first cartridge
from the clip and into the chamber. After 8 rounds are fired the
action ejects the empty clip and the bolt stays open. Pressing another
loaded clip into the action causes the bolt to go closed, stripping
the first round from the strip, and so on.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)